The Bourbon Room

Los Angeles Debate

Before I begin, please let me ask a favor. And the request comes in the form of a demand, maybe even an order.

Take a moment to ponder and savor the majestic historical break-through this debate represents. Longer. Longer. Let it soak in. Just take a moment longer.

OK.

Now, ask yourself this question: when you first became politically aware did you ever imagine a presidential debate of this magnitude and importance involving a woman and an African-American man?

I was born in 1962 and can tell you I first became politically aware when Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. were assassinated. I didn’t know what it all meant, but I knew it was serious and sad. Like everyone, I was afraid our country had been changed forever and for the worse. I can’t help tonight but think back to the vague sense of dread I had about politics then and reflect tonight so many years later on the true nature of persistence and possibility.

I’ve watched politics as a journalist, I have come to understand the power of symbols and how symbols often obscure agendas. But sometimes symbols shatter old notions, accepted truths, and calcified conventions.

Tonight’s debate — whether you are a liberal, a conservative, or an independent — stands as a landmark in a nation that justifiably commands the attention and fascination of the world.

With Sen. Hillary Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama as the two remaining Democratic candidates for the presidency, the world sees the embodiment of core American traits of freedom, tolerance, diversity, grit and, yes, audacity.

This is not an endorsement of either candidate. It’s an acknowledgment that their rise to dominance in the Democratic Party breaks the mold in ways few could have imagined as recently as two years ago. When America, the most imaginative nation on Earth, surprises itself we must catch our breath, marvel at ourselves and indulge in a small blush of pride.

I can tell you the reason I am rhapsodizing about this moment. Here in the press room outside the Kodak Theater in Los Angeles, many in press row are bored. On a typical debate scale, this encounter is not an edge-of-your-seat affair. The debate is certainly calmer and more substantive than the Myrtle Beach knife fight. That’s to be expected, because politicians are normatively cautious and any two politicians taking part in something THAT’S NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE are even more prone to proceed with care.

And so Clinton and Obama did.

And yet, the debate was not without its high points.

I won’t grade the debate or the performances because tonight the larger issue is the event itself and what it represents. History will record the tableau, not the transcript.

Clinton and Obama dissected each other’s health care plans carefully and fairly. Clinton knows, because she believes in it and the polls reflect it, that pushing hard for universal health care is the way to appeal bedrock Democratic values and voters. When she said anything less will be “picked apart” she not only issued a warning but rallied party foot-soldiers who don’t want to fight for a concept, but an absolute.

This is not to say that Obama lost the health care debate. The voters will decide which approach is better. Whn Obama argues the first priority is to lower costs, he raises an important but politically less-resonant point. His formula takes longer to explain and exposes him to criticism that his plan is built on a fragile foundation where an estimated 15 million adults would still lack health insurance coverage. Based on conversations I’ve had with voters, however, it seems that if Obama loses ground on substance he makes it up on style. Obama voters and those on the fence tend to believe that a larger political coalition is required before universal health care or something close to it can be achieved. They also tend to believe Obama can create that coalition and Clinton cannot.

On Iraq, it’s hard for The Bourbon Room to detect a tectonic shift tonight (hey, I was born in San Diego and can indulge in one earthquake metaphor without penalty). Most Democratic voters understand Clinton and Obama will end the Iraq war more rapidly than any Republican nominee, especially if the nominee is, as appears more and more likely, Arizona Sen. John McCain. Obama supporters were drawn to him first because he opposed the war from the start. When Clinton declined again to say her vote for the Iraq war authorization was a “mistake” she re-enforced why many Obama supporters are where they are. In Super Tuesday states where some voters may be tuning into the campaign for the first time, this could reintroduce the central weakness in Clinton’s “experience” argument. Clinton strategists, however, believe she’s already lost all the votes she’s going to lose on this issue.

On the economy, differences were substantive but not remotely combative. Obama could have used his stump speech lines about Clinton’s original stimulus plan failing to demand tax rebates or credits. Clinton could have said she was warning about a recession long before Obama and put together the first substantive stimulus plan of any major candidate. Both left that ammunition under the table.

On immigration, the most important point is that both were far more willing to talk freely about comprehensive solutions. The reason? The rise of McCain. On driver’s licenses, the differences were gently highlighted and both scored a key point — Obama that Clinton flip-flopped; Clinton that a week after the Philadelphia debate Obama couldn’t authoritatively state his position. More important was how they enthusiastically spoke of a comprehensive solution and how readily they condemned the “anti-amnesty” politics that killed immigration reform (and nearly McCain’s candidacy) earlier this year. The change in tone and temperament matches McCain’s own improbable comeback. Clinton and Obama have begun to conclude that the immigration monster either will die because will be the GOP nominee or that it will be relegated to angry third-party splinter movement (a plus for the Democrats either way).

On the running-mate issue, both turned it away easily and for good reason. At the end of this campaign Clinton and Obama will stand as enormous figures — not only in their party but in American political history. If Clinton prevails, she will seek a vice president with complementary skills, temperament and, most importantly, a keen understanding of the lesser role the vice president must play in her White House. The same is true of Obama.

Why?

Because if either is elected president, all of the old measurements will disappear. Every move Clinton or Obama makes will be historic. The focus on their presidencies will be, if possible, even more intense, personal and urgent. Under these circumstances, the centrality of the office will require a vice president eager to accept a secondary role in a new march of history. Any whiff of competition or hidden agenda will not only rankle the president, the president’s senior staff and cabinet, but the party hierarchy and the rank-and-file. It’s The Bourbon Room’s hunch that a large swath of the public will live vicariously through a Clinton or Obama presidency. Hopes will be high. The stakes will be high. The next vice president must be devoted as perhaps no vice president has been before to the task of making history work for the new president and the many things he or she will represent. Also, an Obama and Clinton presidency will also require massive legislative support on Capitol Hill. That will require skills in the cloakroom and the ability to hit the road and rally the public on behalf of the new president’s agenda. For this reason, a president Clinton will need a Senator Obama far more than a Vice President Obama. And a President Obama will need a Senator Clinton far more than a Vice President Clinton.

Lastly, for those who wonder if Obama or Clinton would need each other to defeat the Republican nominee (probably McCain), I can only say that most top Democratic strategists (those in both campaigns and those who remain neutral) tell me because Clinton and Obama break the mold, each will win or lose ENTIRELY on their own merits. The vice presidential pick, these strategists agree, will matter even less than before — which is next to not at all.

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Comment by Huey D

Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
O Lord, kumbaya

I thought I was watching family revival not a debate. At the end I almost though Obama am Hilary were going to kiss each other. Obama has lost his fight and he is playing into Hillary’s hand. hahahaha

 
Comment by Clinton wins

NBC’s Chuck Todd
CNN did dial testing and reported that a slighty majority of their group gave the debate to Clinton .
Clinton .
Once again Clinton shined in the last debate! Was extremely Presidential! And easily stated facts, solutions and direction. Once again Obama fumbles and stumbles though trying to make points or somewhat answer the question, but not really. He doesn’t appear to be able to keep his train of thought, never seemed to be on the topic at hand. When they are next to one another she stands out, hands down. I think its O-bombs for obama…Sorry Teddy!

 
Comment by MADAM PRESIDENT

“Madame President of the United States…it’s an extraordinary thought. We truly are in a momentous time, where a woman’s potential has no limitations,” said Streisand. “Hillary Clinton has already proven to a generation of women that there are no limits for success. She is driven by her passion for public service and her belief in the enormous potential of our country. Smart, capable and strong in her convictions, Hillary has transcended the dictates of what is thought to be possible for our time.
“Hillary is a powerful voice for change as we find our country at an important crossroads. Under her leadership, our country will regain its respect within the global community. She will prioritize issues of global climate change, universal health care and rebuilding a strong economy. After 8 long years, the public will once again have faith in their government.
“Another former first lady, Eleanor Roosevelt once wrote, ‘In government, in business, and in the professions there may be a day when women will be looked upon as persons. We are, however, far from that day as yet.’ More than 50 years later ‘that day’ is now upon us…and Hillary Clinton is ready to shatter through that glass ceiling for all women.”
HILLARY CLINTON MAKES HISTORY FOR ALL WOMAN OF EVERY RACE. A TRUE EXAMPLE OF UNITING PEOPLE AND NOT DIVIDING THEM

 
Comment by Chaunda,IN

This was historic and unprecedented. Both candidates had moments and either would be a formidable Democratic candidate. Hillary Clinton has mange to soften her image without losing her strength or the feel of ableness she projects. She comes across as a commander

Obama still comes across affable and humorous. He will continue to appeal to his supporters but he may have maxed out the growth he had been having. He still does not bring a lot of substance but he does bring a casually cool style that has help his momentum

 
Comment by walden9

An excellent and very reasonable assessment. Before tonight’s debate, I felt very acrimonious toward Obama, basically due to his acting like the president-in-waiting at the State of the Union Address, and for his campaign taking innocuous (albeit poorly worded) statements from the Clintons and turning them to racial ends. Nothing of the sort was meant, and Obama apologized about this angling in the previous debate.

I now feel less acrimony toward Obama. I will vote for the Democratic nominee and I believe that will be Hillary. But I would vote for Obama over any Republican. I take this conciliatory stance although I know that most Obama supporters are extremely vicious, unreasonable and “faith-based” in their denunciations of Hillary.

Hillary won the debate if only because she didn’t lose it. She won on all domestic issues and scraped by on the Iraqi vote. I do think she has far more of an idea of just what to do to get us out of there. I also feel she has far more international experience than Obama, as testified to by her having visited 82 countries and worked with world leaders in the previous Clinton administration.

As for health care, Obama is playing to the Af. Am. voters who don’t want to pay for health care and don’t want to have any enforcement levied on them. I find that very savvy politically for that contingent, but it rather misses the point for the majority.

 
Comment by Florida gal

Major,
I watched the debate and I think both candidates did well. But, I must say, I was more impressed with Hillary Clinton. I thought she sounded more presidential. Obama I was disappointed in because he just could not stay on topic and the hosts let him get away with it. Who ever the host was with the gray hair and beard, sorry I don’t know his name, gave a very low blow to Hillary and it was not called for! He made himself look pretty darn ignorant.

I wish these debates could be hosted by the American people and not the nose flippers!

 
Comment by S.Srinivasan

Watching from the sidelines or a side continent ,so to say, I am amazed at the contradictions of America. When Pakistan which is an Islamic state and India ,a third world nation(at least thus far) have had woman heading the country two decades back, America is still awed by the nomination of Hilary. I wonder if the country is all bluster and no substance. With the economic might of America feeling the heat and melting down , its slip is showing. It is still money which calls the shots and no common man can even dream of becoming the President . The debates are lackluster and look more like village council gupshup over a hookah than genuine human concerns.

 
Comment by Brandon

Excellent analysis by Major Garrett. We Americans are the winners. Given the challenges this country is facing now, I am fully confident that Hillary is the best candidate. It’s amazing how strong is this woman. And her knowledge and experience makes her less vulnerable than Obama, who has not yet been tested to trust the most responsible position in the world.

 
Comment by Jan

This is the best piece of journalism I’ve ever seen from Major Garrett. You highlighted all the right stuff and let the moment then speak for itself. Great job!

I will say, I disagree with your take on the VP. This would be the perfect team of inspiration AND perspiration, and they both actually LIKE their roles.

The Senate will be in the hands of the Democrats regardless of these two Senators leaving, so… perfect team at the top, Democratic Senate, and Democratic House — time to show Bush Republicans what SMART governance looks like.

Keep up the good work, Major!

 
Comment by barbara

I would not be happy with Obama having any position regardless if president or vice president.
John McCain will get my vote if Obama is the nominee. Really listen to him. He has a dream alright but not a dream that he can pull off. Them Dem’s really blew it when they had a chance and control of the house and senate. We will again be under the republican rule and that will be better than Obama

 
Comment by Linda Stumpe

Hillary is by and far the most informed and articulate candidate we have. She is Presidential and her grasp of issues and solutions are amazing. We would be wise at this time in our history to choose her experience and her ability to solve the mess that Bush has created. It amazes me that the voters get caught up in the media hype instead of judging people on their merits. Go Hillary!

 
Comment by WL from Florida

Dear Mr. Garrett:

Thank you very much for a fair, balanced, and in-depth analysis of, not only the debate but the current campaign as general. This type of in-depth analysis without bias become more rare in recent journalism.
Hope you will set an example for other writers, journalists, and reporters as for what journalism means to those working in the field. With several months reporting mainly on style and horse race, this article is a breath of fresh air. Keep up with the good work. I agree totally with you about VP position. Obama has publicly said in several occasions that the order of Clinton-Obama or Obama-Clinton is important. It gives me the impression that he is more for his ego. This, together with the fact that he served in Illinois Senate for less than a half term before running for president, does show that when it comes to serve the country, his own ambition and agenda is more important than serving the people and fulfill the campaign promises.
Having said that, I do think he is an intelligent man and waiting for another 4 or 8 years he will be our president.

 
Comment by Cephas

Folks,

I’ve been bloigging about this and trying to remind folks for nearly a month now, I remember when it happened. McCain can’t be trusted to stick to conservative principles. Never has been, never will be!

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/democrats-say-mccain-nearly-abandoned-gop-2007-03-28.html

Here’s a quote or two from the story:

Democrats had contacted Jeffords and then-Sen. Lincoln Chafee (R-R.I.) in the early months of 2001 about switching parties, but in McCain’s case, they said, it was McCain’s top strategist who came to them….

Downey added, “It’s my hope that John McCain is the Republican nominee because from my perspective, although I think Democrats are going to win, if they don’t, McCain is the sort of man I would feel comfortable [with] as the president of the United States. I’m not trying to hurt him.”

Daschle said he doesn’t believe the new revelations will hurt McCain. “Everyone has known John McCain to be independent, to take his own course. That was a time in his life when he at least weighed the possibility of becoming an independent, but he rejected it, so I can’t imagine that can ever be used as a political liability.”
Unquote

If Downy and Daschle like and want McCain to win, WHY ARE WE EVEN GIVING HIM THE TIME OF DAY!

I also seem to remember McCain supporting legislation that resulted in the draw down that gutted our military. But I’ve not found the proof yet.

McCain isn’t a Maverick he’s a snake in the grass.

 

[...] • I love it when Fox Newsies get all sappy about the Democratic race. [FOX] [...]

 
Comment by Rebecca

I agree, this is a historical moment. I am so glad that I am raising my sons in an age where it is true that they can do anything they aspire to do, not because they are white boys; but because this is America and anything is possible. They go to a female dentist, and an Indian doctor, we have teachers, coaches, and friends who are men, women, black and white. We find to the person who is best for the job. I have made it clear to them that I oppose these 2 candidates not in any way because of their sex or race, but on their political views only. I simply want the person who is best for the job.

 
Comment by Richard from Massachusetts

Preacher, Minister, Christian, Evangelical
Interesting all of these titles reference is given in reverence to those who claim them. I find that the Preacher, Minister, Christian, Evangelical Huckabee and his dear advisor Dick Morris distain and hatred for Mitt Romney diminishes the respect attributed to those who wear the collar. The advice Morris would give anyone else with low polling numbers like Huckabee would be to get out. Their hatred of Romney along with their political agenda is as transparent as glass and in the end will elect Obama or Hillary. No question about it!
Richard from Massachusetts

 

I’ll have to admit, this election has me watching more than ever before. The only reason I was less interested in 2004 was because I was pretty satisfied with what George W. Bush was doing I still am despite his major dip in popularity.

I honestly can say for me he’s no lame duck- I hatge that term, it sounds like what my husband portayed in a play whne he was 5 or 6. He has cerebral palsy and drags one foot. When I realized politically, what that meant I thought it sounded ridiculous. I just get tired of the STUPID THINGS both parties say about each other. It sounds like 2 brats on a playground to me. I’m not a moderate, but I do think that we should show more respect for the process and get involved in it more and educate ourselves more about the candidates and the issues. On my web log I encourage homes schoolers to take their children to the state caucuses and they can both learn something parent and child alike.

I know that sounds scarey, but here’s the thing. When the McCain-Feingold Bill was passed, there were elements that clearly didn’t belong in there about keeping children out of the process. I have no idea what Senators Feingold and McCain were thinking (obviously they weren’t even paying attention.) I feel very uncomfortable when a political figure is willing to sacrifice the 1st Amendment when that is the one thing that keeps this country from turning into a place liek Iraq, Iran, or God forbid China, North Korea, or Vietnam.

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Comment by Denise

Consider what America got with the first Clinton co-Presidency:

• Abuse of the powers of the office of the President
• Granting Presidential pardons to buy Hillary’s election to the Senate. As a woman who made it on my own, Hillary’s need to ride Bill’s coattails and her sense of entitlement (as in “it’s my turn and Obama should wait his turn”) makes me doubt her capabilities.
• Hillary’s long-suffering marriage to Bill, enabling a lifetime of sexual trysts and trying to contain the Bimbo eruptions, gives me a President without the backbone to stand up to a man. Hillary claims to be tough enough to play with the boys when, in fact, she is unable to leave a cheating husband. How will she stand up to other male leaders who see this in “Mrs.” Clinton and walk all over her?
• Being married to a former President does not make one qualified to be President.
Hillary has less experience in elected office than Barack. She’s held elected office for one Senate term plus one year and has introduced no major legislation during that time. Is this the kind of experience we want in the Oval Office?
I am not a “Hillary hater;” I am an America lover. Please consider very carefully which candidate the Democratic Party puts on the ballot. The future of this country absolutely depends on it.

 
Comment by another dumb blondem

Major,
the democratic debate was historical and I agree it is even intruiging to me as a republican, however, I can not understand why the same questions posed to Obama and Clinton were not in the Republican debate.
I thought the Democratic debate focused more on their policies and enjoyed them sharing their differences. The republican debate and the questions were so more trivial. The questions about President Putin and If Ronald Regan would vote for them is not even relevant. Why not ask them the same questions if the same network is hosting the debate.

it goes to show that CNN is truly leaning left and takes them more seriously than the right?

 
Comment by tracy

What a great post~!

“Because if either is elected president, all of the old measurements will disappear. Every move Clinton or Obama makes will be historic. The focus on their presidencies will be, if possible, even more intense, personal and urgent. Under these circumstances, the centrality of the office will require a vice president eager to accept a secondary role in a new march of history. Any whiff of competition or hidden agenda will not only rankle the president, the president’s senior staff and cabinet, but the party hierarchy and the rank-and-file. It’s The Bourbon Room’s hunch that a large swath of the public will live vicariously through a Clinton or Obama presidency. Hopes will be high. The stakes will be high.”

I completely agree ~ what a great time to be an American!

 
Comment by Dan

I thought it was a dead tie. I heard both sides and think each made good points as to their positions. Much better than the last WWE Wrestlemania Event. But I’m still a Republican!!!!!!!!

 
Comment by Karen

Hey Major,

Excellent report. I watched the debate. Yes, i feel bad about changing the channel off Fox!

It is historic. It is also a difficult time. I have concerns regarding their positions on health care – predominately the cost and preservation of our superior and fast service. When we see how poorly Medicare is run – with the abuse and fraud – how can we expect a government payer system to be viable.

Their positions on taxes are also a concern. They seem to ignore – or not tell the people – the true ‘cost’ of raising taxes on the rich (define rich, please), corporations and cut taxes on the poor and middle class.

The poor not only do not pay taxes, but they receive ‘refunds’ called Earned Income Credit”. Their refund checks are greater than what they paid in!

But, the biggest lie of their tax plan is that cutting taxes on the rich does not result in more money coming into the government coffers. The truly rich will use every tax benefit – or loophole – stop selling their stock (avoid capital gains taxes). Taxing business results in lower operating cash. Therefore, business reduce personnel – lay-offs. Now, less people are paying into the system.

I fear their positions on taxes and additional costly social programs will put an even greater strain on our economy. Can you say, “Recession” (Do you remember the Carter years?)

Also, a hasty retreat from Iraq may be their worst decision of all. I don’t profess to say it is all perfect. But, neither was the rebuilding of Germany or Japan. But, we stayed and today both countries are solid allies. History is important.

Sometimes I wish our politicians were historians, economists, and every day workers, instead of lawyers. And, instead of life time politicians. Then we might find people with a real understanding of how to best protect and serve us.

 
Comment by Ringneck1

The New York Times Just Let the cat out of the bag on the Clintons in the following noted article.

There is enough Ammunition and Firepower in the below noted NEW YORK TIMES article to run Bill and Hillary out of town on a rail!

I recommend you read “CLINTON DONORS OVERLAP” by typing it in your PC web search bar.

It is a short 2 1/2 pages.

Its link does not work or I would put it on here for you.

Hillary supporters will even change their minds, If they ever get their heads out of the sand.

Barack supporters copy this note and email it to everyone you know and YOU READ IT ALSO.

Trying to get all of you informed before SUPER TUESDAY

Ring

 
Comment by Ron Johnson

Dumbest article written during this election cycle, your time would have be better spent asking why the more experienced, like Joe Biden, white males were dismissed so readily. It is because the socialists and liberals are past the point of return on equal opportunity and quota brainwashing to the point where even lackluster leaders like Obama can get a vote cause he is black and the uber corrupt hillary can get a vote cause she is a female. Its a warm a fuzzy feel good thing to destroy the country with someone who is invisibly being held back. Come back with your story when Steele or Condi Rice is being embraced by the main stream media and everyone is judged by the content of their character(obama-none)(hillary-filthy) and not there gender or skin color. This is just another example of the perversion of liberal thinking and a proof that democrats are phoney patriots.

 

« AMERICA’S REAL GED HOTLINE | GED Programs | GED GRADUATION RATE IN NYC IS 18 PERCENT »

January 31, 2008
IS AGGRESSIVE HELP FOR BLACK AND HISPANIC YOUTH ON THE WAY?
By Profesor Martin Danenberg “El Quijote del GED”

How many more diplomas annually can we expect from Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton as president? We must know that and we must know the cost to the American people. And we must know that now! The New York City GED program restructuring is similar to the 5-E Disconnected Youth Services Corps in that it limits access to the GED program and the diploma. There are 200,000 disconnected youth and the GED programs still serve only about the same number of youth that it served back in 2000 when I retired. What we want to know from both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton is are we going to double the number of youth who are earning a diploma annually (keeping them out of trouble, detention, and jail). City money is not being used to increase the number of diplomas and I am afraid that the same thing will happen across the United States with the Obama plan. I cannot comment on the Clinton plan, but we must know much more about that plan from Hillary Clinton. In New York City, as around the country, we must break things down by zip code. East New York has had three generations of poverty and we may have to triple the number of GED’s there. Park Avenue may need just a few more GED diplomas to improve things there. Yes even the Paris Hilton-type need a GED. New York State needs a doubling (New York City may need much more than a doubling), California needs a tripling and so does Delaware and Washington, D.C. Puerto Rico has been the Katrina capital of GED and needs 15 times more diplomas. Alaska has been the best for years and may need just a slight increase.

I have given my testimony at the City Council of New York and done a conference call with the office of Mayor Michael Bloomberg that lasted twenty-five minutes. I have provided that office with additional information by email, too. I expect to see radical changes, soon, in New York City and around the country. I want to see Councilman Charles Barron, a GED graduate himself, finally commit himself to GED. Councilman Barron watched Brooklyn give $525,000 for a music studio in a Brooklyn public school, but what about making families stronger through the GED? African-American and Hispanic elected officials across our country and Puerto Rico must be on this page to help the United States and we do not have to wait for Obama or Clinton.

Help Youth Connect with Growing Job Sectors: Barack Obama will create the 5-E (Energy Efficiency, Environmental Education and Employment) Disconnected Youth Service Corps. This program would directly engage disconnected and disadvantaged youth in energy efficiency and environmental service opportunities to strengthen their communities while also providing them with practical skills and experience in important career fields of expected high-growth employment. The program would engage private sector employers and unions to provide apprenticeship opportunities. The program also encourages summer high school students to stay in school, and provides GED help and other wrap-around social services for drop-outs.

Today, Hillary Clinton announced a Youth Opportunity Agenda to address the silent crisis of disconnected youth in America. Hillary’s 35 years of experience fighting for children and families has taught her that every young person in America has potential. Yet today we are failing to realize that potential. More than four million of our young people between 16 to 24 are out of school and out of work. The number of these disconnected youth has grown an alarming 18% between 2000 and 2005. The situation of the 1.4 million young African American and Hispanic men who are out-of-work and out-of-school today is particularly troubling. These young men are less likely to graduate high school, more likely to end up in prison and are often left jobless and poor.

I KNOW THAT BARACK OBAMA IS ATTRACTING THE YOUTH. WE KNOW THAT MANY COLLEGE YOUTH HAVE SILENTLY WATCHED THEIR FRIENDS DROP OUT OF SCHOOL, LEADING TO THE EPIDEMIC THAT WE HAVE. THEY HAVE GRADUATED TO OTHER ISSUES THAT BARACK OBAMA IS DEBATING ABOUT INCLUDING THE WAR ISSUE. YOUNG PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO GO TO WAR AND THE ARMY IS FACING TOUGH TIMES TRYING TO RECRUIT OUR YOUTH. YOUNG PEOPLE ARE NOT INFORMED ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT WE MUST DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF GED’S AMONG YOUTH. THEY MUST BE INFORMED NOW.

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Comment by Justamere10

Regardless of who wins the Democratic nomination, they’re going to have to face the Republican nominee. My purpose in posting the following information in this thread is to encourage Republicans to pick a candidate who shows evidence that he can provide a REAL challenge to the Clintons or Obama Kennedys in November.

Here’s how I see it:

Some writers are still trying to convince others that Mitt Romney if nominated couldn’t compete against the Democratic nominee.

You might be surprised at who the real Mitt Romney is, and the strengths he already has in the political arena having been taught by Senator TED KENNEDY himself!

After graduating from high school Romney voluntarily served a two and a half year mission for his church, at his own expense. He completed his undergraduate studies at Brigham Young University. At age 24, already having a wife and two children, he was admitted to the prestigious combined business school MBA and Doctorate of Law (JD) program at Harvard University. (We’ll find out how he fared in that best of the best environment.)

I’ll quote from some research I did recently. My hope is that readers will compare this man Mitt Romney with John McCain who apparently came in at the bottom 5% of his military college class but nonetheless was once allowed to command one military base for a while. Today McCain proudly claims to be the great American “leader” and says that Romney is only a “manager.” (Are you scratching your head at the media and McCain’s endorsements already? If not, perhaps you will…)

Here’s a quote from a Boston newspaper:

“Harvard’s joint MBA/JD program was relatively new at the time – it had been launched two years earlier – and was intensely rigorous. Typically, business school is completed in two years and law school in three; dual-degree students earn both degrees in four years, spending their first year at one of the schools, their second at the other, and their final two shuttling between both.

Business school immersed Romney in a complementary skill set: creative thinking, leadership, teamwork, and the ability to analyze and reconcile conflicting data and differing points of view.

Out of Romney’s 800 business school classmates and 550 law school classmates, only 15 (FIFTEEN OUT OF 800!) earned degrees through the dual program.

Romney excelled at both schools, graduating with honors from the law school; becoming a Baker Scholar at the business school, a distinction reserved for the TOP 5 percent of the class; and impressing many of his peers with his quick mind and skill at building consensus.

When Romney graduated from Harvard in 1975, armed with twin powerhouse degrees from one of the world’s most prestigious universities, consulting firms and investment banks around the country vied aggressively to hire him.

“He was an outstanding recruit with exceptional grades, and he was the very charming, smooth, attractive son of a former presidential candidate,” recalled Charles W. Faris, formerly with Boston Consulting Group, one of the firms that competed for Romney. “It would be hard to find a higher profile resume … so everybody was bending over backward to get their hands on him.”

(Compare Dr. Romney’s hard work, intellect, and rigorous preparation with John McCain’s proud self-styled superior “leadership” and his BOTTOM 5% scholarship.)

Who do you think is best prepared as the leader of the free world to analyze data from dozens of experts and make sound executive decisions that will affect hundreds of millions of people worldwide?

Can there be any doubt who is best qualified to be the Republican nominee? Senators sit on committees and have no real leadership or executive experience. McCain’s been a senator for decades and has a dismal record as a politician, why would he suddenly be able to become a successful conservative president?

It’s governors who are usually nominated as presidential candidates, not senators. Why should this year be an exception as the media and the insider establishment is pushing us to make it?

After his years at Harvard, Romney plunged into the world of capitalist free enterprise where the bottom line is to generate a return for investors. In that 25 year period of intense experience in business and finance Romney proved his brilliance as a leader of people and enterprises. In fact he was so good in the economic world that he earned a personal fortune of several hundred million dollars.

(That’s real good – this man knows what makes the economy tick, and what needs to be done to create jobs for Americans without undue government interference and huge tax raises on the people!)

And along the way Romney continued to be a staunch and faithful family man adhering strictly to his religious beliefs including no alcohol, no tobacco, no adultery, etc. He served in responsible positions with his church, counseling and helping probably thousands of people. As a volunteer lay minister he provided that service free of charge. In fact, he even paid 10% of his income as tithing to the church of his choice.

The then Governor of Utah asked Romney to step in as CEO of the failing Salt Lake City Olympics committee. Some people say that he already had his eye on political office and took too much credit for himself. But nonetheless he applied his brilliant intellect, talents, and expertise to turn that scandal-plagued venture into a huge success. Romney, ever service-oriented, apparently asked for only one dollar as his salary for doing that.

Here’s a quote from a Boston newspaper: ”I have no doubt whatsoever, as the representative of the chief investor in the Salt Lake City Olympics, that Mitt Romney was single-handedly responsible for those Games being the immense success they were,” said Dick Ebersol, chairman of NBC Universal Sports & Olympics. The list of people who could have pulled it off began and ended with Mitt Romney.”

In 1994 Romney ran against Ted Kennedy for senator. He lost against that powerful experienced politician, but he says he learned from Ted Kennedy how to handle himself in the political arena. We can see that and his always presidential bearing and demeanor on our television screens today.

Romney ran for and became the Governor of Massachusetts. Much has been said about that term of service but I’ll believe Mitt and the stats about his record as governor, not McCain whom Romney exposed as a weak and slouching old boy liar at the last debate.

Apparently Romney took no salary at all for his public service as a state governor.

Compare that to McCain who proudly declares that he has lived on the public purse all his life. (Public “service” is just a job one chooses.) If McCain hadn’t occupied the senate seat, perhaps someone more conservative and better prepared could have been there, and could have accomplished something good for America.

I’m grateful for McCain’s service in the military, but happening to be captured by the enemy as thousands of others have been is no qualification whatsoever to be president of the United States. Mitt Romney is independently wealthy, he does not have to serve in public office, he could be out playing with expensive toys and hobbies as many other multi-millionaires do…

Mitt Romney is caring and SERVICE ORIENTED. He has worked selflessly to help others for decades – even putting in hundreds of hours visiting the sick in hospitals.

(That’s real service – doing good for others when you’re not earning a living at it!)

As well as being politician and state governor, Romney has been a hard-nosed eminently-successful businessman with a brilliant record for making the right executive decisions in a highly competitive environment, time after time.

(That’s the kind of man I want to represent me to the world – not a slowing slouching aged Washington old boy senator who could only rank in the bottom 5% under competition from his peers.)

During the highly unpopular Vietnam war that failed to bring freedom to anyone, the draft lottery never pointed to Romney. (He was deferred as a university student anyway – as were all other students.)

But as governor he was the leader of the entire national guard in his state. (Surely a more responsible leadership position than the one John McCain has claim to.) Romney has the experience to gather reliable military, foreign affairs and other experts about him, to sort through their advice and data, and to make the right executive decisions to protect this nation and its people.

Mitt Romney is uniquely qualified to make a real difference for America. He’s an expert outsider who owes no political favors in Washington. He loves a challenge capable of his intellect. (One of only 15 out of 550 Harvard Law School students to graduate with a doctorate!)

Mitt Romney has the WILL and the MOTIVATION to fix a broken Washington!

Romney says: “I THINK IT’S TIME FOR THE POLITICIANS TO LEAVE WASHINGTON, AND FOR THE CITIZENS TO TAKE OVER.”

Americans who want solid change in Washington are fortunate indeed to have such a CHAMPION for the people as Mitt Romney could be. But he needs our support to get the truth out about him, and why he’s running for office.

And he’s putting his money where his mouth is to help get his message out!

(The press doesn’t do that for him free of charge, you’ve probably noticed that. The weak response of some Romney detractors is that he is trying to “buy” the presidency. Isn’t it just as logical to conclude that he is demonstrating his COMMITMENT to serve America, and his CAPACITY TO WIN the general election?)

Like everyone else, Dr. Romney has learned and made changes with time and experience, none of us are the same today as we were yesterday.

Today Mitt Romney is solidly for beefing up the military, research and development to maintain American technological superiority, lower taxes, less government, fixing the economy, jobs for Americans, constitutional justices and judges who do not legislate, winning the war against terrorists and keeping us safe, sealing our borders and stopping illegal immigration, the right of citizens to have and to bear arms, religious freedom, traditional marriage, and the family values cherished by honest god-fearing Americans.

A successful grassroots revolt against the Washington insiders is possible this year – WE HAVE A CHAMPION!

I think we should give him a chance…

It is my hope that the vicious unfounded attacks on Romney’s motivation, and the fear-filled naysayers, will be completely ignored. We CAN win this nomination, and the November election. Romney could prove to be the man the world needs at this hour, as Ronald Reagan proved to be the man for his time.

The choice is ours, the grassroots electorate of America. But the message must get out there real soon. (Ordinary people taking the initiative to do what they uniquely can do, and the exponential power of the world wide web could do it.)

Vote Mitt Romney for President, he’s the people’s CHAMPION in this period of time when we surely need one.

Donate what you can to show your commitment to our new president in this his hour of need for quick help from the grassroots. And most of all, spread the message…

http://www.MittRomney.com

http://justamere10.blogspot.com

http://mittromney.townhall.com/

 
Comment by Karen

Major,
you need to get our blogged linked on other blogs – for example, Adam Housley’s.

Are you enjoying a quiet weekend?

 
Comment by Bill

Comment: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/2/132935/7717/376/436944

Click the link above for a dose of reality Obamacans

 
Comment by Ken

The Clinton administratrion did in fact accomplish some good things in the 90’s this is undeniable, but they also did more damage to the Democratic Party than any other person I can think of during my life time, and I’m 47 years old. All of this could have been avoided if Bill Clinton would have simply kept his pants up, or if he was going to drop his pants, don’t lie about it.
At any rate, everyone that remembers what happened has a recalls that Bill Clinton Lied Under Oath, and was proven to be a Pervert of the highest caliber. As a result our party was told we had no morales, or values, and rightly so. The supreme leader of our party wass caught red handed.
Bear in mind when Bill Clinton took office the Democrats had a majority in the House, the Senate, and we had a Democratic President. By the time his antics had run their course we lost control of the House, the Senate, and ultimately the Presidency. Basically he was handed a Golden Goose, and turned it into a delapidated chicken during his tenure. Not what I would call an accomplishment! Not to mention the administration was riddled with scandal, to the point a lot of issues weren’t addressed that should have been.
At any rate the point I’m trying to make is this. If Hillary gets the nomination, it’s doubtfull that she’ll get the Presidency, but for the sake of argument, let’s say she wins. Her administration will begin where the last one left off, right in the middle of a scandal, impeeding any progress at all, and once again we will see what we’ve seen all the long. Gridlock, with no path for compromise. Winston Churchill once said “Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it”. Do we really have to re-live this saga in our country? I would think not.
I don’t vote based on what prophets say, or for that matter because of what the media says, they’re to easy to bait into an issue, and they usually take it hook line and sinker. Rather I vote based on reason. Barak Obama seems to be the only rational choice, all things considered. What we need right now is change without question, but it needs to be change like we’ve never seen before, but know can be attained. I honestly believe he can pull it off. For what it’s worth I have a lot to loose by choosing the wrong canidate. I have a Son in Baghdad at this very moment. OBAMA 08′

 
Comment by Eric

Some very interesting items from the poll that was posted this evening.

For the Democrats, the Clinton-Obama race tightened after Obama proved his mettle by winning Iowa and coming close in New Hampshire; he’s since added South Carolina. In numbers very similar to their levels last month, Obama leads by 2-1 among African-Americans (including black women), by 10 points among men and by 12 points among independents. He’s also ahead by 18 points among Democrats who describe themselves as “very” liberal.

But Clinton is maintaining her advantage in other groups; she leads Obama by 15 points among women and 23 points among white women. She has an 11-point lead among mainline Democrats, as opposed to independents; and is plus-11 among moderate and conservative Democrats, as opposed to liberals overall (among whom it’s Obama plus-8).

She also has more committed support; 62 percent of Clinton voters say they strongly support her, compared with 49 percent of Obama’s. Both well outstrip McCain’s 38 percent strong support.
And on strength and direction

Beneath these overall numbers has been a shift back toward Clinton in a key dynamic of the race, the battle between her trademark attributes of strength and experience vs. Obama’s focus on a new direction and new ideas.

In December the two concepts were at parity, with Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents dividing evenly on which was more important. Last month, with Obama gaining ground, Democrats by 54-36 percent gave more importance to a “new direction.” In this poll, the two competing attributes again are back at parity, 46-45 percent.

These matter because these preferences cut so heavily to vote choice. Among people who care more about strength and experience, Clinton leads Obama by 75-17 percent; among those who are more concerned with a new direction and new ideas, it’s Obama by 70-22 percent. These two competing visions strongly define the Democratic race.

Associated with these views, Clinton holds a substantial 58-34 percent advantage over Obama as the “strongest leader,” a gap that’s widened since last month. At the same time, he leads her, albeit by a much narrower 7 points, as the candidate who’s best able “to bring needed change to Washington.” Clinton and Obama were about even on that attribute last month.
On the issues Hillary also holds a lead even among the people that care about the Iraq war.

Within her party, Clinton holds a large and undiminished lead in trust to handle health care, as well as a 52-38 percent advantage over Obama in trust to handle the economy — potentially useful given its growing importance. She has a smaller 8-point edge in trust to handle the Iraq war; the two are closer to even on handling immigration.
Of course things can change but this does look like a more favorable Feb 5th for Hillary than I was expecting.

Poll results are here:
http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Vote2008/Story?id=4233020&page=2

 
Comment by Justin

As a British person observing your elections from afar, I have to say anyone interested in politics anywhere in the world must be interested in the American preisdential elections.

America is by far the most influential and powerful nation in the history of humanity and the actions of American voters will have a profound effect not just on the lives of Americans but people across the world. It isn’t unfair to say that American voters are the most powerful people in the world. In Britain, for example, our foreign policy is alligned to that of America and has been since World War Two. With the notable exception of the Vitenam War, America’s foreign policy has always been Britain’s foreign policy.

It is therefore not suprising that every single British newspaper has unofficially endorsed Barack Obama for president. His vision of hope for America would transcend the world should he be elected. He is seen as the antedote to the obscene political philosophy of President Bush.

I also think that the mere involvemnt of Barack Obama in this race has made a lot of people outside America take stock. America has demonstrated that race or gender are non-issues. For this alone, Americans should be proud.

 
Comment by Sue

I’m just wondering when the citizens of America are going to open their eyes…

His name is Barack Hussein Obama … Hmmm…
Sounds familliar, kinda reminds me of our ENEMIES.

Reports have him raised in Jakarta and attending a Radical Muslim School.

This Canadate for President of the United States has been FILMED turning his back on the U.S. Flag. Many Report that he refuses to Pledge Alligiance to the Flag of the United States. This Canadate took his Oath of Office with the Koran.

Don’t get me wrong, He is very charming and intelligent. But I have a problem with putting a person in charge of our future whom when looked at without the “Rose colored glasses”, Looks, smells and quacks like a Muslim.

Remember Americans, Females in the Muslim and Arab civilizations are nothing more then a piece of meat. No rights at all. God forbid your 16 year old daughter is raped by 3 men (strangers) in her own home. She’ll be Executed for a crime against Chastity, the punnishment is Death by Beheading, PUBLICALLY.

I do not subscribe to any One religion, though I do believe in God, The Father of Jesus, Our Savior. I just do not believe that God wants all females to be meat for any mans pleasure. Do we want to go back 2000 years??

Take a GOOD LOOK at the Muslim world over there in IRAN, IRAQ, SAUDI ARABIA, Etc.

Obama may believe in Jesus Christ, but his ideas about how religion should be practiced should be the #1 Question. The Koran teaches about Christ, it’s true. That does NOT make him a Christian, Catholic or Jew. The Koran is strictly a Muslim Bible.

I can NOT & will NOT support any form of Muslim leader for President of the United States.

The Koran teaches that all other faiths and beliefs are against God.

Remember, We Westerners are nothing more then INFEDELLS whom are not worthy to breath the air.

When is the issue of Faith and the desire to destroy the United States going to come into this election?? Is he going to try to destroy us from the inside out??

I watch the news everyday and see the dispicable state this world is in. Do you??

Do you really think Obama can or will make America Better?? I don’t!
I believe he is the End. The End of us all if elected President.

Good luck America… I pray God has Mercy on Our Souls.

 
Comment by Carl

The debates have done little to expose the strengths or shortcomings of the participants, largely because the press has not delivered on the line of questioning. It should be no-holds-barred, and if that is unacceptable, then the candidates have the option of not coming.

Why, for example, has Hillary been given a free pass on Bill’s illicit dealings, many of which she was either complicit or implicated in: Whitewater, Vince Foster and Filegate, Travelgate, Susan McDougal and Jim McDougal, Sandy Berger and stolen documents from our National Archives, 28K in stolen White House furnishings, and lying alongside Bill relative to Gennifer, Susan McDougal, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, and others.

The truth matters, and good journalism seeks it out.

 
Comment by Bonnie

I will NOT vote for anyone named Barrack Hussein Obama…this is a no brainer folks! As a military member, I can honestly say, NO ONE will follow him in our military!!!!

 
Comment by Randy Holdeman

This election more than any I sit back and wonder why doesn’t the position of the President of the United States have more requirements than it does. Your job and mine has certain minimum requirements, masters degree, experience in related fields something, but what does it say to this country that the most powerful position in the world can be populated by a US sentator with less than one term and only a state asemblyman before that, or a governor of a small state. It would seem a slick talking “used care salesman” can be a front runner if given the chance by the main two parties. Seems resumes should be in order and not resumes fluffed with “35 years of experience”, experience should be related to the workings of the US government, i.e. US Senator serving under committees dealing with our problems. A resume stating yes/no votes on bills and perhaps a reason why. Seems we need more than just words that sound good, we need proven results and past track records.

 
Comment by Tim Uribe

I can’t believe the democrats obviously believe the voters are so stupid that they’ll believe what Obama and Clinton say. Obama knows what Rev. Wright’s political opinions are, he’s been a member of that church for over 20 years. GIVE US ALL A BREAK!! And Hillery, SNIPER FIRE?????? Oh brother…….

 
Comment by bj

i hopewinwould be good comander & chief for the white house. we need her a lot.i hope she beats obama lose.s we know her we don, know his back ground! she was born here in the united states. when bill and her was in office we were doing better but bush has turned every thing back too hurt all of us , i know hillery could turn it around she,s delt with a lot of defrent things in the white house. i feel that obama would not know what too do/ hillery would i know it for a fact. every one loves her. i pray to god every day for her to win !! i know that obama dont help small towns. he runs small towns down i don.t think it,s right. god bless america an hope gods grace and peace. i hope hillery dose not quit shes a fighter. bjs for president she hillery

 

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