So Fox News is taking it’s media responsibilities seriously, and through exhaustive research, is reporting contradictions in a statement from retired general who doesn’t support the Republican presidential nominee. I don’t recall you folks trying too hard to repudiate the smear tactics that were used against Kerry in 2004. What gives, I thought you were fair and balanced?

Kerry was defeated. Now it time for McMain to receive the same message. We elect on baises of number of factors army service is only one factor. Fox should blindly do every every thing against Obama . This is why I do not see FOX and Filthy network

whatta speech..but i find it very nice..and quite convincing Busby SEO Challenge

I too am a former career military American. I had, and still have, great respect for many former and current military leaders, but Clark is not one of them. Regardless of his former military achievement, clearly, his current interests are self oriented. He has become a self-serving politian, who like his apparent idol Joh Kerry, speaks “with forked tongue”. His 2004 speach was tearfully dramatic but to me was not to honor American military. Rather it was intended only to support Kerry with the probable intent of earning a job.

I can see that it is perhaps a little over-enthusiastic in light of his comments about JMcC but I’m not sure that you could argue it is inconsistent. His point is surely that while Kerry/Edwards had the ability & intelligence; JMcC does not have any overwhelming advantage which makes him a natural C-in-C.

I think that this is an argument that is going nowhere & will soon drop off the radar the next time someone says something controversial on healthcare, pensions, education etc. But an interesting point nonetheless.

Obviously, this demonstrates that Obama will not be selecting General Clarke for the VP, but has instead decided to use him as a lightening rod. General Clarke can take the fall out of his hypercritic rhetoric without damaging Obama (he can dismiss it publicly) in the hopes that it will make Americans think twice about their position toward McCain on the role of Commander-in-Chief. I would pose a scenario to viewers: a group of people are in an office and get word that terrorists are in the building; two men stand up loudly and want to lead people in separate directions; one is a deep thinker, the other a retired war veteran. Without thinking about the current candidates, which direction would you go, or more precisely, who would you follow? In the end, only one leader emerges.

John Kerry was a hero, because he served his country in a time of war, voluntarily, came back from that war, saw the reality of that war, and spoke his heart about the reality of that war.
Explain to me how John McCain is the same kind of hero?

This speech by Clark shows his hypocracy concerning his remarks against
John McCain. Kerry is more qualified for the oval office? This guy is a
traitor for accusing his fellow veterans of crimes against humanity that he
could not prove in any one instance. He spent no more than 4 months
in a combat zone, while the rest spent one year and more.
Clark has destroyed his credibility with the American people. John McCain
is known round the world. His name is that of an American Hero. John
Kerry is hardly known as an American hero. In fact he’s hardly known anywhere
outside the US except for North Vietnam.
Wesley Clark is a hypocrite.

If you listen to his interview last night, he admitted that there are certain aspects of John McCain’s service that will be applicable to being a good president i.e courage and selflessness. John McCain flying sorties over Vietnam and getting shot down, however, has absolutely NOTHING to do with making executive decisions regarding the use of our military, has absolutely NOTHING to do with a president’s need to conduct meaningingful negotiations with foreign leaders, and certainly has nothing to do with the next president’s ability to get this nation’s economy back on track after eight long years of Bush. We all honor Senator McCain’s service, but please put it in the proper perspective as it relates to solving the issues we face right now.

Unclear why Fox finds this speech inconsistent with Gen. Clark’s recent comments. Neither Clark nor anyone else questions McCain’s patriotism, or valor, or service to this country, or sacrifices for her. Clark, from his vantage as a high ranking general with extensive command experience, is merely pointing out McCain’s lack of same. Military or combat experience is unquestionably valuable, and that is respected by all involved. Clark’s clearly valid point is that McCain’s particular military experience is a far cry from the kind of high level decision making relevant to the presidency. His support of Kerry and praise of his military record is in no way inconsistent with these facts. In fact, McCain has shown over and over the lack of appropriate temperament for the office of president. No disrespect to his military record, but it is not justification for supporting him for president.

Welcome to the world of surrogate spokesmen. Wesley Clark is doing what the Obama campaign thinks needs to be done and in the manner they think most effective.

In the end, no matter what our hopes were, it’s just going to be politics as usual.

I know this isn’t on topic, but I feel it’s important. During the primary I agreed with 99.9% of everything Obama said, but since he got the nomination ( I don’t know if its because he suddenly got a rush of democratic veteran staffers or what) he’s not the same. He needs to fire his energy advisors, they suck. He spoke so elegantly about the politics of fear, but now he ignores the fact that the politics of fear have been used by the democrats (and in my opinion Big Oil) to keep nuclear energy under-developed for the last 50 years. Come on Obama, come back to what made you so popular in the primary, your honesty and integrity. And get rid of the party veterans. You’ve already proven you don’t need them. Fox should focus on issues like this (Obama’s crappy energy policy) and not Wesley Clark.

I agree with Tim Warren – - this article is pointless.

The public does not believe Karl Rove and his friends any longer. It was unfortunate that Clark made the comment about McCain. Even though he may have misspoken, we are more inclined to believe General Clark than anything Fox puts out there. This article about Clark’s past does not resonate with people who understand real truth.

Karl Rove, Dick Cheney & Bush have run this country into the ground. And yet you have the nerve to hire Karl Rove to spread his vile on your network.

The Fox network should be ashamed of itself.

You are all hacks.

And where was your hard hitting editorials and analysis when the Swift Boaters (whom McCain derided, but has now adpoted one in to support his own patriotism) despicably tore into Kerry’s numerous medals for bravery under fire. Clark’s attacks are rather modest and mild compared to the treatment Kerry was given. I didn’t agree with the Swift Sleeze and I don’t agree with the way Clark put together his arguements; but you all are eating hypocrite pie with your analysis.

Gee, that was a nice speech. Tears tried to roll off my eyes but nothing happened because Clark is a slime ball for undermining another soldier due to his affiliation and support of his party. He shouldn’t even be speaking out unless he’s fair and level with ALL that serve our country. He’s no better or difference than any lowest ranking soldier in our forces. A soldier is a soldier and they have huddle together to bring peace NOT DIVISION to our nation.

General Clark is a liberal idiot. Anyone who pays attention to his yapping ought to be drug tested. All he wants is a position in a democratic administration. Blind Melon Chittlin’ can see that. If liberals think B.O., with NO experience in anything but running his mouth, would make a competent Commander in Chief, they are smokin’ crack.

God help us all.

This does not sound like the same John Wesley Clark that we heard Sunday when he was bashing John McCain. According to him John McCain’s courageous service and torment counted for nothing when running for president. What a hypocrite!

They (Obama and Clark) are playing good cop, bad cop and think the American people
are to dumb to figure it out

I want to say that Wes Clark is an idiot, but MR Wolven’s response is much more appropriate. Clark is another Rhodes Scholar from Arkansas who did well but never earned the respect of those working for and around him (heresay, I know, but I heard it from several folks who had had extended direct contact with him).

As far as Tim Warren’s comment, I find it laughable that he still believes that Kerry/Edwards had intelligence. Kerry’s GPA at Yale was basically the same as GWB’s (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/07/politics/main700170.shtml). Actually, it was lower.

Wesley the Weasel…where will he end up next??

Having been a POW, JM would think twice about putting our troops in harms way and even harder about getting them out.

I do not think that Clark said anything that would contradict his statement that “getting shot down quallifies someone to be commander in chief”. Why is that such a big deal. His statement about John Kerry is not in opposition to his statement. “John Kerry’s combination of physical courage and moral values is my definition of what we need as Americans in our commander in chief. And John Edwards with his leadership and extraordinary intelligence, he’s going to be a great member of that command team.” No where in his speech did he say too bad Kerry didn’t get shot down by enemy fire so he could qualify to be president. POW credentials is not a requirement to be president. This is not a slam on McCaine, it is just a fact. Most presidents have not been POW’s (in fact none of them were). Get a grip.

Wow I forgot this speech. I really like General Clark better now. He understands the military is not just about killing the enemy, its about choosing your battles. I would vote Gen. Clark for President after reading all that

I will never forget how George Bush ruined our country. It seems like Republicans want to forget all about the many many ways he made our country worse. I guess anyone could have done a better job.

I will most likely vote for Obama, even if he doesn’t represent the kind of change he wanted to make. At least he is able to defend the attacks on him by sleazy politicians and biased news corporations.

Bob Johnson

So what McCain never made any executive decisions in Vietnam. Obama did not either. The difference is McCain is a veteran who knows what it takes to be a soldier, to endure the harships of war, and the ability to relate to today’s soldiers. Obama has no military backround. Obama has lived a privilaged sheltered life and knows nothing about the realities of war. McCain might not have the experience leading as General Clark did, but it is still more then Obama. I don’t know about you, but I would much rather have a commander-in-chief with military backround and experience then someone without anything.

I think that Wesley Clark has forgotten that just seven years ago 19 terrorist killers from Iraq flew planes into our towers and the pentagon and the sacred field in Pennsylvania. John McCain has fought these Iraq terrorists as a Senator. Clark just wants to appease them and give them our country. We are in Iraq to avenge this death and destruction. For the life of me, I can’t understand why people are so ignorant and quick to forget what was done to us.

For those who ACTUALLY SAW the interview with Wesley Clark, you know that this right-wing spin is garbage.

Clark was responding to a statement from Bob Schiefer that among McCain’s qualifications for president was that he was shot down over Vietnam. Clark had already praised McCain’s service, calling McCain a HERO, but he pointed out that getting shot down was in and of itself, not a qualification for president.

For the others who did NOT see the interview, take a look at the Columbia Journalism Review site here and see
http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/attacking_mccains_military_rec.php?page=all

The Columbia Journalism Review site also points out how certain segments of the press (of which this Fox pundit is one) have intentionally taken this comment out of the context of this interview for the specific purpose of making it sound like a personal insult to McCain, which it was not. As if that weren’t bad enough, these same corporate press interests are now changing the wording of what was said (aka “LYING”) to now falsely claim that Clark said that McCain’s “military service was not a qualification for the office of president.” This is an outright lie that is being perpetuated by the right-wing press – as this page illustrates.

The knee-jerk reactionaries who claim to be so outraged by Clark’s statement are just showing themselves to be ignorant of the facts. They haven’t seen the interview.

No content in the speech or the article. So there is nothing to say.

This country does not need a war hero as president. It needs someone who will address the failing economy, housing market and gas prices. This country needs a president that will relieve us from the burden of the Iraq war. This country needs not have another trigger happy president who wants to start another war with Iran.

I wholeheartedly agree with General Clark. He was careful to honor McCain’s military service and patriotism in his recent comments, and reports to the contrary are simply wrong. I think its fair to ask questions about McCain’s judgment and whether his military experience makes him any more qualified than Obama to be Commander-In-Chief.

Well, General Clark has had his issues. His own military commander said in 2004 he ‘wouldn’t be voting for him’ when General Clark was attempting to run for the democratic nomination. General Clark’s posturing is political.

I am not here to reduce General Clark who served a career in our military, but what he said about John McCain is unconscionable. But from my reading, it sounds like General Clark spent less time in combat that the man he endorsed, John Kerry. Yes, I know, they both were wounded.

The central issue to me is how well our country will be prepared to meet the challenges of the rough and tumble wold ahead… economically and militarily. Who leads us into this century will determine whether or not we will be masters of our own destiny… or dominated by the cultures of hostile oil nations.

I am an optimist by nature, but I am tempered by the world around me. The man ( as it appears it will be a man) that leads our nation must understand ‘realpolitik’ and not just offer ‘hope’… we have been down this road with disastrous results before.

As for General Clark, he shames us who once believed in him.

Roger Freberg

One candidate had the foresight to vote against giving Bush the authorization to go to war in Iraq, the other candidate was the Bush cheerleader for the war on Capitol Hill. It’s pretty clear to me which guy has the skills to become the next Commander in Chief, Obama all the way. Clark was spot on and should not be getting this much heat for what he said.

It also turns out the real reason we when into Iraq was to secure lucrative oil contracts for Exxon and the other energy companies. Americans need to open their eyes, its sad that so many blind mice need to be led!

Flying sorties and getting shot down has nothing to do with being President; however, being a POW and refusing to be given special treatment does. It shows character. Sitting in a pew for many years in a church that damns America from the pulpit then lecturing us about patroitism does not show character. It shows arrogance.

Wesley Clark was passed over by his superiors several times for promotions.
There are good reasons. Read up.

Obviously, General Clark concluded that Kerry acquired judgement from his days in combat and that McCain–although a hero that all should acknowledge–did not achieve the same level of executive decision making skills. That’s Clark’s call and, given his background as NATO commander, this is a subjective assessment that he is entitled to make.

The funny thing is, John McCain has never once used his time in Vietnam as POW or his military exp as leverage for his presdientail bid during this campaign. He has not once said that he would be a better Chief Exec becasue of his militray exp. Clark is a phony

I don’t know why I waste my time with liberal Democrats that apparently can’t afford to pay attention. The continued reference to “Swift Boats” and the attempt to compare that with the current political activities is hilarious. First off, the Swift Boaters exposed the lies of Kerry and now Kerry or anyone else has been offered 1 million dollars by the Boat Commander to disprove the claims. Kerry has said “I just may take him up on that”…”SILENCE”. John Kerry was mostly kept out of harms way and his Purple Hearts were awarded at his insistence for minor scratches that were not a direct result of combat. But, here’s what is the most amusing, the Obama, Kerry supporters will strain at a gnat while swallowing a camel to avoid acknowledging the truth about these leftist, Socialist liberals that do not have honor. As I said, this is a waste on the afore mentioned leftist and their supporters, but what the heck, I’m not busy right now anyway. Repeat after me..”HYPOCRITES”

Yes indeed, very consistent. He definitely continues to support a candidate which does not have a bloodthirsty penchant for war-mongering and invading countries which ought to be autonomous…and, how interesting, his rank is also higher than McCain’s too. Go figure.

While flying a jet has nothing to do with flying a country, most people seem to miss the point that jet pilots have always been the cream of the crop in the military. Yes, McCain’s father was an Admiral…. connections can get you in the service, can even get you moved up faster than others, but they don’t put you in the pilot’s seat until you’ve proven yourself capable of learning, and judging, quickly.

The current global situation requires a warrior mentality, to maintain our standard of living and provide the energy and resources to enable all of the wussies to to blog and argue about everything that doesn’t suit them.

Freedom has always required men (and now women) with weapons to protect it. Always will. Only when that is lost will the weak see their mistakes for obstructing that. Unfortunately, mankind seems trapped in the vicious cycle of gaining it and then losing it (freedom). Too bad most Americans can’t see farther back than their own birthdays. History is a great teacher. Sociology is an even better one, for those that understand it.

Yep, very consistent indeed. Still supports a candidate who doesn’t love war like some do…and his rank is still higher than McCain’s. Sounds to me like General Clark cares a little bit more for human life than McCain does…Gee I’m shocked!

AndyIL,
Lets see: Who would be better at determining the fate of military activity than someone that has seen the horrors of war from all sides – from killing the enemy (yes, they were theenemy) to being injured to the fear of being captured to being captured to being imprisoned to being tortured to being broke to surviving the war… or some guy that may have studied American history?

There’s all this brouhaha about John McCain’s military service and that it doesn’t qualify him to be president. He’s a four-term senator also. Could anyone tell me if Mr. Obama was ever in the service and what has he done to qualify himself to be president? As I understand it, he’s the most junior of senators just below Hillary. Does organizing a bunch of people who want the government – that’s you and me, Mr. Taxpayer – to give them everything they want? Mr. Clark should be ashamed of himself. Does his military service give him the right to put down Mr. McCain? He wasn’t flying over enemy territory, in enemy hands, imprisoned, and tortured. He probably was mostly sitting behind a big fat desk telling the others to go bomb those areas and forget about civilian casualties!

As Foghorn Leghorn used to say, “sounds like a whole lot and I mean a whole lot of hypocrisy going on there.” Aong with the fact that Mr. Clark was hated my most of the people in the military. He was a wimp and still is, or should I say a socialst wimp. No socilaists in the White House in Novemeber or you’ll be sorry.

Hmmmm. John Kerry carried a camera. Got a couple of fast scratches or thorns in his shoe…certainly not a bullet wound. Made it look like he was trying to hurry his Vietnam departure, what 3 months total? Oops, he STILL hasn’t released his war records, most likely because he was Dishonorably Discharged. The actual General who mustered him out was the guy Carter appointed to administer the Pardons to the Dishonored. Quite a coincidence, Huh?

It is not surprising that such garbage is coming from the Obama camp! He only wishes he had ANY KIND of military record to talk about. How in the world does anyone think this guy can be President of the United States? Not only does he not have any military experience…..he doesn’t have any political experience. This kind of stuff only turns people against Obama. I think it is disgraceful what Clark said and I think he owes John McCain and ALL the military people a “real” apology. Remember it is people like John McCain that keep our Great County free.

John Kerry hurried thru VietNam with mysterious injuries, but no apparently and gunshots. He served for 3 months and arranged to leave while others served 2-3 years.

He has never released his War Records as promised…..probably because he got a Dishonorable Discharge.

Jimmy Carter pardoned the Dishonorees and appointed a certain General to apply the new doscharge status. It is curious that any General gets involved with discharge paperwork, but that is the guy who discharged Kerry.

Re: Comment by Ron Wolven
I am not a former career military American. I had, and still have, great respect for many former and current military leaders, but McCain is not one of them. Regardless of his former military achievements (bottom of his class, crashing several expensive aircraft, getting shot down, making propaganda vids and statements for the North Vietnamese, etc, ect.), clearly, his current interests are self oriented (flip-flopped on almost every issue to appeal to fanatical religious base and big business donors). He has always been a self-serving politician (dumped his faithful first wife for a rich girl whose mob-tied daddy would go on to finance his political career), who like his apparent idol George Bush (voted with him 95% of the time 2007, 100% in ‘08), speaks “with forked tongue” (perhaps a clue to W’s apparent speech impediments). His recent speech where he falsely claimed to support the new G.I. Bill (he and his idol George adamantly opposed it) was tearfully dramatic but to me was not to support American military personnel. Rather it was intended only to support himself with the probable intent of conning his way into the White House.

FIFY

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All of this fails to point out that the military was not President Clinton’s strong point during his two terms in office. Mr. Clark perhaps failed to warn Clinton of the growing strength and threat of the terrorist insurgency movements or to advise him to take decisive action against them after the first World Trade Center bombing and terror attacks abroad. I understand that NATO’s eye was focused on Bosnia for a lot of the time but that is no better excuse than Bush’s eye being focused on Iraq while the insurgency grows in Afghanistan. The seeds of disaster were already planted during the Clinton administration and Wesley Clark was there.

I am not a former career military American. I had, and still have, great respect for many former and current military leaders, but McCain is not one of them. Regardless of his former military achievements (bottom of his class, crashing several expensive aircraft, getting shot down, making propaganda vids and statements for the North Vietnamese, etc, ect.), clearly, his current interests are self oriented (flip-flopped on almost every issue to appeal to fanatical religious base and big business donors). He has always been a self-serving politician (dumped his faithful first wife for a rich girl whose mob-tied daddy would go on to finance his political career), who like his apparent idol George Bush (voted with him 95% of the time 2007, 100% in ‘08), speaks “with forked tongue” (perhaps a clue to W’s apparent speech impediments). His recent speech where he falsely claimed to support the new G.I. Bill (he and his idol George adamantly opposed it) was tearfully dramatic but to me was not to support American military personnel. Rather it was intended only to support himself with the probable intent of conning his way into the White House.

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There are many factors that qualify a president. What is essential, and Wes pointed this out – is the ability to bring people together, drive a vision, and encourage to take ownership of the democratic process. Social Capital, Creative Capital, and Intellectual Capital are all essential elements of the President and the essential elements of a strong, peaceful, and productive nation. The objective is to increase human potential and productivity at home and abroad. Military service teaches a person a great deal about many things, but not everything.

Re: Comment by Jonathan Baldwin

blah blah idle speculation blah blah…in the hopes that it will make Americans think twice about their position toward McCain on the role of Commander-in-Chief. I would pose a scenario to viewers: a group of people are in an office and get word that terrorists are in the building; two men stand up loudly and want to lead people in separate directions; one is a deep thinker, the other a retired war veteran. Without thinking about the current candidates, which direction would you go, or more precisely, who would you follow? In the end, only one leader emerges.

Great scenario!! I’d follow the one who didn’t ‘punch out’ of the second story window and break his arms and legs as he fell onto the terrorists’ vehicle, though I wouldn’t have to if the ‘deep thinker’ was in charge because he would have read the Personincharge Daily Briefings warning of such an attack months in advance and prevented the terrorists from entering the country and captured those already here… In the end, only one leader emerges because there was only one leader to begin with. The other guy just follows orders…first his dad’s, then Jim Hensleys, these days, Georgie W’s.

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LOL…Johnathon Baldwin…who is the “deep thinker” in your argument…certainly not the Junior Senator from Illinois….?!?

Funny how you lib’s perceive the empty rhetoric empty of an inexperienced “messiah” as deep thinking.

How about you drop the partisan crap and admit that Clark is a kool-aid drinking hypocrite hack who’s only interest is protecting “the party”?

Pathetic!

And shame on both National parties for presenting us with a “best of two dopes” choice. The Empty Suit, or the Tired old RINO.

Signed – an INFORMED Independant.

McCain went to Spain.

Obama went to Yokahama.

What does that have to do

with Clark going to the park?

I am confused.

Re: Comment by jay carter

This speech by Clark shows his accuracy concerning his remarks against
John McCain. Kerry is more qualified for the oval office. Blah blah standard Kerry bashing swiftboat rhetoric blah blah…Fox has attempted to destroy Clark’s credibility with the FOX sheep. John McCain is known round the world. His name is that of an American Hero turned flip-flopping doddering fool with a Smeagle-like focus on attaining an office he’s unqualified for in terms of experience, honesty, and mental acuity (none of which stopped the last guy, sorry to say). Blah blah ad hominem attacks on Kerry and Clark blah….

Ran this through a non-FOX fact checker. This is what came out.

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I hope BHO will indeed select Gen Clark as his VP. Would give me another reason why not to vote for the Marxist.
The Volt

Well, he recounts Kerry experience as a Navy officer + DA + Peace movement leader + congress — which is in fact more than “riding in a plane and getting shot down” – a phrase provided BY THE INTERVIEWER by the way.

The media, especially Fox of course, has blown this way out of context and proportion.

Didn’t Clark run for President on his war record?/

Quote: “All of this fails to point out that the military was not President Clinton’s strong point during his two terms in office.”

Well, that’s putting it mildly. He himself said that he “loathed the military”. My son-in-law, who is retired military, can’t stand Clinton and says most military feel the same. He weakened the military, and by his own admission, his own “personal problems” kept him from acting on the Osama bin Laden problem when he could have.

Re: Comment by McCain_Earned_It
While flying a jet has nothing to do with flying a country
Really, the rest of your comment is just superfluous fluff, but I’ll go ahead and show you why just cuz you seem to think you’re pretty quick and you’re actually a little slow, like most con-servile-tives.

most people seem to miss the point that jet pilots have always been the cream of the crop in the military. Yes, McCain’s father was an Admiral…. connections can get you in the service, can even get you moved up faster than others, but they don’t put you in the pilot’s seat until you’ve proven yourself capable of learning, and judging, quickly.
But it’s clear to most people who’ve watched him speak lately that his learning, judging, quick days are far in the past…how’s a ’sharp, insightful’ guy like you miss something like that?

The current global situation requires a warrior mentality, to maintain our standard of living and provide the energy and resources to enable all of the wussies to to blog and argue about everything that doesn’t suit them.
So basically it’s ok to overpower others militarily and take their resources so we can live more luxuriously than them and your plutocrat manipulators can enjoy ridiculously gaudy wealth and unearned power? I guess you’re one of those non-wussie rugged bloggers that only complain about the wussies that don’t agree with your survival-of-those-who-play-along-with-the-plutocrats point of view?

Freedom has always required men (and now women) with weapons to protect it. Always will. Only when that is lost will the weak see their mistakes for obstructing that.
Cuz ‘other people’ will try to take our stuff and enslave us…but it’s ok to use our men and women with weapons to take their stuff and force them to work for slave wages so we can drive around in our Hummers and our Walmarts’ll be full of cheap merch and the Waltons can be insanely rich…gotta be pretty weak to stand in the way of that.

Unfortunately, mankind seems trapped in the vicious cycle of gaining it and then losing it (freedom). Too bad most Americans can’t see farther back than their own birthdays. History is a great teacher. Sociology is an even better one, for those that understand it.

Unfortunately, many seem trapped as you are in the illusion that what you have is ‘freedom’ and that is the be-all-end-all path to human happiness. Too bad many Americans can’t see farther than their own me-my-mine perspective on existence, and so interpret everything (history and sociology, for example) through that brutally un-evolving lens.

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If you don’t like the truth, then go on back to MSNBC and CNN. get off this forum. It’s quite tireing to read all the cry babies articles that come on this site.

JOHN McCANN 08.

FOX NEWS IS FAIR AND BALANCED.

Guess Gen Clark forgot about his mangement of the Kosov War. Being a career military person retired, I read the after action reports, talked to several co-workers who wer there and other analysis; NOT GOOD! Everyone should look at the objectives and results: then determine if he showed good leadership. He says in current interview excerpt: have to worry about your reputation; a good leader does not worry and makes the tough desicions, not the PC one

Quote: “That’s Clark’s call and, given his background as NATO commander, this is a subjective assessment that he is entitled to make.”

Really?? Being the commander of NATO makes him “entitled”.
He was a complete failure. Apparently you forget the episode with the president of Yugoslovia.

Ah Proud2BHumble…another pseudo-intellectual dolt blowing nothing nothing but hot air – (better contact Lord Gore and purchase some of those carbon credits that have made him insanely wealthy to offset that dangerous greenhouse gas)!!

you write…”But it’s clear to most people who’ve watched him speak lately that his learning, judging, quick days are far in the past…how’s a ’sharp, insightful’ guy like you miss something like that?”
Gee can’t argue that, the man actually has a platform that is substanative (despite its flaws) rather than blowing empty rhetoric like your dim-bulb messiah.

You write…So basically it’s ok to overpower others militarily and take their resources so we can live more luxuriously than them and your plutocrat manipulators can enjoy ridiculously gaudy wealth and unearned power?
More America-hating liberal tripe. PLUTOCRAT Liberators….LOL!!! Exactly whose resources are our military taking and exactly who are they overpowering to get it??? Please explain.

You write..Cuz ‘other people’ will try to take our stuff and enslave us…but it’s ok to use our men and women with weapons to take their stuff and force them to work for slave wages so we can drive around in our Hummers and our Walmarts’ll be full of cheap merch and the Waltons can be insanely rich…gotta be pretty weak to stand in the way of that.
Wow!!…You sure do hate this great Nation and the above average lifestyle it has afforded all of us!!…so now the military is enslaving people? Exactly who? And last time I checked, no one’s forcing you to drive a “Hummer” or any car for that matter.

You go on to write…Unfortunately, many seem trapped as you are in the illusion that what you have is ‘freedom’ and that is the be-all-end-all path to human happiness. Too bad many Americans can’t see farther than their own me-my-mine perspective on existence, and so interpret everything (history and sociology, for example) through that brutally un-evolving lens.

Really my uninfomed little friend???? Try moving to Bosnia, or Afghanistan or Yugoslavia…You’ll quickly learn what it means to be free…you think this country is un-evoving?? – 60 years ago, your ilk would have been branded communist by McCarthy and his Cronies, American Blacks were hit with fire-hoses and attacked by police dogs for having the nerve to want civil rights, and women were thought to be too “delicate” to put-up with the daily rigors of a high-paying job. This country is evolving continuously moron!

Please inform me oh wise one – why do you fringe libs have such a disdain for America??

Reading the comments I noted some people compared Senator Kerry and his service to that of Senator McCain. The primary difference was that Senator McCain did not commit acts that potentially would cause additional harm to US prisoners of war. While Senator Kerry committed actions that could be considered as treasonous acts Senator McCain was still in a war prison being mistreated by his captors. The comparisons made by others putting Senator Kerry and Senator McCain on similar footing were incorrect at best. I have not heard anything about Senator Obama volunteering for the military or serving in the military. In fact, I can find little in the form of a voting recording for the young, upstart Senator during his short term as a US Senator. Senator Obama should start attending the sessions for which he was elected and actually perform his elected duty and vote on issues to actually put some meat behind his hollow words.

Clark, fired by Clinton as the Balkan commander for lack of character.!!! Pot and kettle?
Clark was always a prima donna coasting on his dads name.
Thanks Clark, you are exposing more of Hobammas “character”.
McCain 08

First of all, I disagree wth Wesley Clark’s comments concerning John McCain and his honorable service to our country. However, I am getting tired of the Viet Nam war being used by John McCain for political purposes. I was in Viet Nam 1966, 1967, & 1968 as a US Marine. I lost a lot of good friends over there. There are 58,000 who gave the ultimate sacrifice and countless that are disabled, homeless and have committed suicide because of the war. The was over 40 years ago and we don’t need FOX or any body else to remind us of it as I think of it every day of my life. People like Hannity, O’Reilly, Rush never served so they don’t really understand the effects of war. I would rather you discuss how the Pentagon and Bush are trying take our benefits away from us that retired after 20 years of service or how hard it is to get medical care by a doctor who accepts TriCare. One last thing, I never met a millionaire while I was in Viet Nam.

SEmper Fi

Looks like borok is moving in right diretion and by the end of summer he’ll be more to right then McCain and …………regisred republican.

Comment by A. Informed Republican
July 1st, 2008 at 12:00 pm
John Kerry was a hero, because he served his country in a time of war, voluntarily, came back from that war, saw the reality of that war, and spoke his heart about the reality of that war.
Explain to me how John McCain is the same kind of hero?
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Kerry is a goof. You are a moron. McCain is not the same as Kerry or you. McCain is cool.

Kerry threw away his medals before he didn’t throw away his medals.

He flip flopped.

I don’t see the relevance of posting this speech. I agree with one of your repliers that it doesn’t lead me to see his current statements as out of context, but rather in line with his misplaced reverence of people (lack of in McCain’s case). However, I think it interesting that no one is stating what I think is rather obvious about this whole issue. This is a preemptive strive at a key voter decision point that will be laid down by the press in the final weeks before we all go to vote. It was done now as to make it a point of record, for later recall in the minds of voters rather than a point of contention, therefore marginalizing the entire overarching issue of military experience; hence McCain’s camp can’t wave the flag as hard as they may have wanted too. ~A classic case of “Good Strategy” by the Obama camp and “Poor Statesmanship” on Clark’s part, aimed squarely at the undecided.

Re: Comment by Tim_CA

Oooooooohhh, timmeh…lol…name calling, my favorite game . Since your comments contained no substantive logic, let’s just get to the good part:

I’ll take your “pseudo-intellectual dolt blowing nothing nothing but hot air” and raise you a pseudonymous dork blowing his own ‘horn’, haha (good luck figuring that out).

Gee can’t argue that, the man actually has a platform that is substanative (despite its flaws) rather than blowing empty rhetoric like your dim-bulb messiah.
I can’t really argue against his ’substanative’ platform since substanative is not a word and the spell checker on this site clearly points that out (W, is that you slummin’ with us prols?)…but I notice that you frequently use ‘blowing’ (typical contard subconscious fixation projection, perhaps?)…anyway, I’ll raise you your ‘dim-bulb’ messiah with a translucently pale senile ancient crash-test dummie.

More America-hating liberal tripe.
That’s funny, coming from a retarded chest-thumping, plutocrat’s fascist dupe tool chitlin eater. Haha, this is fun .

Wow!!…You sure do hate this great Nation and the above average lifestyle it has afforded all of us!!…so now the military is enslaving people? Exactly who? And last time I checked, no one’s forcing you to drive a “Hummer” or any car for that matter.

Really my uninfomed little friend????
Yes, really, my ignorant tiny virtual acquaintance. I hope this answers your question to your satisfaction, since you were obviously veeery curious, judging by your enthusiastic use of the ‘?’.

you think this country is un-evoving??
Once again, observe (much?) the auto-spellchecker…

60 years ago, your ilk would have been branded communist by McCarthy and his Cronies
Yes, we’ve come a long way…now I get called ‘ilk’ and ‘fringe lib’ by his similarly intellectually challenged descendants…haha.

This country is evolving continuously moron!
Well, your family tree certainly seems to be going in that direction, retard…lol.

“Last word, freak.” – Melvin Udall

“Hittin’ the road, Jack, and I ain’t comin’ back no more no more no more no more…”

out

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You have to just love the Dems. They will run anyone, and I mean anyone, with the belief the person is the best thing since sliced bread. Then, after the November elections, they’ll scratch their heads in disbelief and blame the EVIL right wing conspiracy. All politicians, and political parties conspire; its the nature of the game when trying to win an election. The trick is to seem that you’re not doing it. As for Wesley Clark, comon! Wasn’t this guy dismissed by his Commander-In-Chief Clinton during the 1990s? If this guy rose to the rank of General, I feel sorry for the military. He is a fool when it comes to politics or any understanding of it.

oop’s….scared away the moron Liberal troll! Guess the questions were too tough!

The Republicans would have thrown Mother Theresa under the bus if they thought it to be politically expedient. What is so wrong with a universally respected military man questioning whether or not Sen. McCain’s experiences as a pilot in the Vietnam War, in and of themselves, qualify him to be Commander and Chief. I have no problems with McCain believing his military experiences are legitimate qualifications, I just don’t think that he and all of you conservatives should foam at the mouth when someone like Gen Clark, a person who has attained one of the most crucial military commands on the planet, presents another point-of-view on McCain’s leadership credentials. Republicans… life is tough, wear a cup.

Dear General Clark,

Your comments, made earlier this week, in regards Mr. McCain’s credentials to be President of the United States are, in fact, correct. It is true, that being a member of the military, a fighter pilot or even a tortured prisoner of war, in themselves do not automatically qualify any person to be President.

That said, I would point out that Mr. McCain’s choices, decisions, his conduct and behavior during this period of time in his life, certainly speaks highly of his courage, toughness, loyalty and love of our country. Certainly sir, I would say that it shouts the fact that Mr. McCain’s character and judgment has been tested hard and proven beyond question!

I don’t know about you General, but when I am choosing who to support, for the most important office in the United States, these personal characteristics are among the most important measures by which I evaluate the man asking for my vote.

I ask you General Clark, if Mr. McCain’s character, tested and proven, does not speak to his qualifications to be President of the United States, what makes you believe that Barrack O’Bama is more so?

Myopia of Convenience is the modus operandi of today’s Demotratic Party. From that jaundice perspective, it is expedient and fruitful for Obama to bring aboard a former high-ranking officer whose own self-serving political agenda is well-known.

You can pity this myopia as degenerate politics. However, a myopia within the media and citizenry damages the high purpose and mandate that faces this Country.

There is little or no mention of the direct relationship between the military conscience of Duty, Honor and Country and the Stuff of a President. We pay genuflective lip-service to our veterans, but don’t see that, for some of them, this same thread remains unbroken in charting an even higher personal course to serve our Country. For some, like John McCain, it has been a continuous course of Service.

When you start chipping away at that service, you belittle the very ideals of those who now Serve and someday may have the same aspiration. Everything is fair game, though, when self-aggrendizement flushes regard for high ideals and dedication.

It appears political bias continues to prevent some from seeing the truth. The Swift Boat crews told it like it was and some of you folks don’t like it… Tough. Kerry was mostly in protected or low risk zones. His wounds (minor scratches) were not directly related to combat activities. He knew that with the accumulation of his Purple Hearts, he got a quick trip back home with a platform for a political career. Do you honestly think his father the Senator, and the military heads, would allow this jerk to be endangered. They had it all figured out. A quick tour, superficial scratches as described by the Medics, and demanding Purple Hearts for his ticket back home. Clark, Kerry, Edwards, Clinton, Murtha, Reed, Pelosi.. Gosh, it’s enough to make me puke. Bush has made me spitting mad quite a bit, but he’s better than the alternatives.

I am one of many that were undecided…….but Wes Clark has made up my mind…….I am definitely voting for John McCain. Obama has shown his true character, he could have stopped Clark from making such statements about McCain’s War record,…..but I am sure the Obama machine is behind Wes Clark………Obama did say one thing that is correct……that some people will portray him as a scary character……well, he is doing a pretty good job of that himself!

How many people have to end up under that bus before Obama’s followers start to ask themselves if they are next??

Ladies and gentlemen of the press, thank you for meeting me at this Captain D’s Seafood Kitchen as I elaborate on the comments of my client, Wesley Clark.

First off, Gen. Clark’s comments were taken wildly out of context. Yes, he said, “I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president,” but also unspoken and implied is that Sen. McCain failed to find his way back to friendly territory like you see in the movies all the time. What message are we sending to our hopeful, cinephile youth if we elect this kind of quitter?

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