Comments on: Estrich on Obama, Iraq, Experience and Race

By: Lee,Oregon

Lee,Oregon — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:16:32 +0000

As educated as Susan Estrich is, She has tunnel vision and can only hear 2nd-hand information when it applies to ‘the person running against Her Candidate’. In referring to a statement of John McCain — she calls him the candidate for the 100-year war. Susan, J.M. said troups could be there for 100 years, and he later clarified that by comparing it to having troups in Europe and it has been 63 years since WWII ended; troups in Korea 55+ years after that war ended and J.M. DID NOT say we would be at war 100 years — either: you change to your benefit what you accuse J.M. of saying or you just don’t listen to both sides of the story. Whether you want to believe it or not –Nobody likes war! even the Republicans. However, I realize ALL our military are volunteers and if the media would listen to the military with both ears, our soldiers don’t want to leave right away, they want to stay the course and gradually turn over all the military duty to the Iraqi people. If your candidate, B.O., had taken time to talk with some veterans from his own state when they came to his office to talk with him (before the primary started) and if B.O. had made an attempt to talk with Gen. Petreas last time he was in WA D.C. (both were there) B.O. would look like a candidate who really cared about the military, but his actions show whatever he is saying now is for his selfish wishes for power.

By: John A. in San Diego

John A. in San Diego — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:42:41 +0000

John Mc Cain and Barach H. Oboma are staying away from the number one issue: When are we going to start drilling for oil in all of the choice locations in our own country?Is there any reason not to, or are our politicians just plain stupid? Their excuses that it would take years to get started
is getting a bit old.It sems to me that if John Mc Cain or Barrach Oboma can’t or won’t get off their backsides and change their negative opinions of our country being self reliant for its oil needs then perhaps neither of these politicians is suited to run our government.

What are the real reasons for a big percentage our country economy being siphed off to middle eastern oil concerns or are we just plain stupid to keep listening to their insipid arguments that all is hopeless and that we are reponsible for this. In fact we are for electing politicians with no gumtion or reasoning powers to determine what is best for our great country.All of their talk is meant to get them into office so that their party can get more jobs for their own elk. They don’t give a damn about our great country which is founded on free enterprize-not political hacks that put their ambiions ahead of our country needs.

By: scootmandubious

scootmandubious — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:15:36 +0000

The interview actually read a little more interesting than I thought it would be after I realized that the subject was the campgin manager for Michael Dukakis. I mean, seriously, what were we supposed to gleen from somebody who captained one of the absolute worst presidential campaigns ever run (lest we not forget, around this time of year, Dukakis had about a 20 point lead in the polls).

Having said that, Susan Estrich did keep things in relative context.

But what I have to speak out on are the GOP-bots that have been ratcheting up the flip-flop chant.

To that, I just have to say, when one looks at all the changes of positions, pandering, and outright flip-flopping that Mr. McCain has done to formally pay his respects to the extreme right wing of the Republican party, it does take a bit of chutzpah to accuse Obama of that, while neglecting to note that McCain has done it on just about every issue.

But then, Republican talking points for the faithful were never intended to be nuanced.

By: ted811

ted811 — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:57:34 +0000

Retrograde of race relations…this is what we will see if Obama is elected. Why? Because neither he nor the USA is mature eneough to stop it.
The media will continue to call him a black man (someone please tell me why). Everyone seems happy to ignore and slam his mother and her role in his existance.
Obama is mixed / Bi-racial. Why can’t we just tell the truth? It will be a hollow victory for blacks in this country if Obama wins and a great victory for all mixed race people everywhere.

By: swanspirit

swanspirit — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:52:58 +0000

HE ISN’T THE CANDIDATE YOU THOUGHT YOU KNEW

and you wont be able to recognise him next week either so we dont want him in office either you know at one time he said

” you have to be able to trust what your leaders say”

that is a direct quote from bo from the first time he attacked Hillary and she answered with the REZCO SLUM LORD response
now we really cant trust anything he says ….well we havent been able to for some time but more people are recognising that

By: American Patriot

American Patriot — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:52:57 +0000

I am so sick of the race bias in the media. They always try to play the white racism-black victim card. Black men are the most irrepsonsible people in are society. They consist of 6-7% of the population yet are responsible for 45% of the violent crime according to FBI crime statistics. Black on white crime is staggering in this country yet the media never run an article on it.

By: kenny

kenny — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:44:02 +0000

susan estrich lies when she says “there are two candidates in this race: One talking about getting the troops home, whether it’s in 3 months or 18 months or whatever it is; and the other talking about a hundred year war.” she knows mccain doesn’t want or expect us to remain in iraq for a hundred years. she’s taking a quote out of context to suit her needs.

By: Paul

Paul — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:57:06 +0000

The current presidential campaign reminds me of a statement which one of our first Constitutional Presidents wrote in a political discorse letter, when he wrote; “This Nation shall only survive, by the current form of Government, which we have chosen as long as her people remain strong in their RELIGION.” In a second letter, written by another of the first three U.S. President’s, he wrote in a personal letter on the future hope of this nation, saying; “The current form of Government, which has been established in this LAND, shall remain until, it’s citizenry & corporation’s realize that they can gain in personal profits by the mis-use of our Laws. Then, it shall collapse”. I remember, it was the very President & Sitting Congress who declared freedom for all people’s in the USA during the middle of the Civil War, who before his assasination, wrote out the Founding Plan for the African “Nation/State” of Liberia, so all freed slaves would be able to return to their homeland. Well: Let’s see ‘how well’ the current National Campaign lines up with what our fonding PResident’s wrote as “Prophetic Warning’s” over 200 years ago;
(a) One Candidate attended a ‘Race Hatred Based Place of Worship’ for 20 plus years, until American Citizenry called him & his Wife on it; So he quit when it appeared to Cost Him Votes. “True Religion” > quoting the founder of Christianity [Jesus]> “All people shall know you are my disciples BY YOUR LOVE”.
(b) One Candidate kept as close friend & confidant he whom actually was a convicted anti US Homeland Born TERRORIST.
(c) One Candidate has been running by “Promising everyone a FREE GRAVYTRAIN RIDE” while openly promising to raise new US Federal Government TAX RATES at the HIGHEST LEVEL & % in USA’S HISTORY.
(d) One Candidate ‘claims’ to desire to unite everyone, while blocking two burka wearing supporters from his Stands at a Rally, while @ the same time having to be forced by his Primary Competitor to finally renounce his two religious ‘Leader’s’ for all their proven, long held ant-white, anti-government, anti-jew, sermonizings.
(e) One Candidate & his Wife, in 2006 were {reportedly} photographed taking part in a “Secret” DONATION DINNER for the former TOP AID of the (deceased head of the PLO), Yassar Arrafat; in the Gaza Strip.
(f) One Candidate’s Wife openly declared that only since her Husband’s Campaign, did she become proud of her native born land > the USA.
(g) One Candidate had as a mentor & political Campaign Funds Provider {on-going since his first attempted run at a State Level Office} a known proven CRIMINAL, who it has been alledged had PERSONAL CLOSE TIES to one of Sadam Hussain’s Top Government Aides.
(h) One Candidate; (While attacking his competitor’s in the Primary Election’s for “Being in bed with Lobbiest’s); HIMSELF secretly wrote AN EARMARK in the Senate for $1,000,000.00, of US Citizen’s hard paid TAXES, THAT WAS TOTALLY DESIGNATED TO GO DIRECTLY TO THE HOSPITAL OF WHICH HIS WIFE WAS THEN ACTING CORPORATE VICE PRESIDENT OF!
(i) One Candidate, during Primary Debates; was forced to admit that both during his State Held Office, & since becoming a Senator, over 100 times, voted “Present” or said he “actually meant to vote to the oposite of how he actually voted” on KEY BILLS.
(j) One Candidate got his way through College & University PAID FOR HIM BY SCOLORSHIP’S & GRANTS {Free GravyTrain Ride on Hard working U.S. Citizen’s hard paid TAXES / As did his Wife}, while the other Candidate took his Life’s 05 year’s of hard education in the Hanoi Hilton being beaten nearly to death by a COMMUNIST/LIBERALIST ELITEIST DICTATORSHIP RUN MILITARY REGIME, that was using that Candidate for foder, because they knew he was the Son of a US Navy Commander!
(k) One Candidate was FOUND TOTALLY INNOCENT in the Koeting Lending Scandal over twenty years ago, while the other Candidate got a “Sweet Heart Finance Deal” on a million dollar – plus priced set of house and land deal, from a now proven CRIMINAL, &, another ‘Sweetheart Finance Deal’ from the Board of Chairmen of a Mortgage Corporation that was/is still under total investigation for several types of illegal mortgage finance fraud.
(l) One Candidate gets mocked for his Age, though those years have clearly brought along much gained WISDOM; while the other Candidate got his political ’smarts’ by having been proven pulling ‘Slick Legal & Political Campaign Games’ in his home State against several other legitimate & proven servant Office holders, so he could actually get to run as candidate in their Districts.
(m) One Candidate was born on a US Military Base in Panama, while the other ‘Claims’ to have been born in Hawaii, EVEN THOUGH, News Investigations around the Globe, have alledged that solid evidence is recorded in the BRITISH BIRTH REGISTRY in Kenya, showing that while his still married Father was employed by the British Commonwealth Government of Kenya, that he and his Wife were barred by Commonwealth Military from leaving their Soil via jet, UNTIL AFTER THE WIFE GAVE BIRTH TO THEIR SON! That in the British Commonwealth Birth Registry has been located the ACTUAL BRITISH COMMONWEALTH OF KENYA BIRTH CERTIFICATE, showing that in reality that now Presidential Candidate was born in Kenya, and then flown to Hawaii, where his Kenyan Commonwealth Government Employee Father, & “American Born” Mother, with the aid of her Parent’s, got an “AT HOME BIRTH” Birth Certificate Registered, to “Show” their Son as an American Natural Born Person.

So! You decide: Which Presidential Candidate falls negatively under the early “Prophetic Warning’s” of two of our dear Nation’s Founding President’s concerning the ultimate COLLAPSE OF OUR NATION’S GOVERNMENT & RECOGNIZED UNITED STATE’S AS A RECOGNIZED FORCE FOR LIBERTY & THE PERSUIT OF HAPPINESS FOR HER CITIZENRY? Decide, why don’t you, on hard cold facts; Which Candidate is the more proven and matches up POSITIVELY with the Founding President’s “Prophetic Warning’s” concerning the health and strength of our beloved nation and her hard working citizenry OF ALL RACES?

(And) Concerning having our Military on foreign soil in “WAR TIME”,
(1) KOREAN WAR/POLICE ACTION: Armistice Signed 04/1953 by Truman & North Korea, Enforced by Armed US Military on the Border between the Communist Dictator Run Aggressor North, & Democratic South, since 1953,
(2) Former Yugoslavic States & the “Bosnian War” in the 90’s under Clinton? U.S. Military Armed at the Ready Personnel still on the ground there > 2008,
(3) WWII, 1941-1945 (?) U.S. Permenant Bases located in Germany, Turkey, Greece, Great Briton, & in former USSR controlled land with new nuclear missles > 2008,
(4) Central & South American Wars in the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s / some openly admitted, while others not; Still active Duty & armed U.S. Personnel on the ground, “Aiding in fighting an international “Drug War” > Still there 2008, begun under Reagan in the 80’s.
(5) Kuwait & Dubai; since the 1990’s FIRST GULF WAR > 2008, still there.
(6) Since end of WWII, The Main World Supplier of ALL TYPES of Military goods and hardware to the most number of recognized Foreign States & Nations? the USA.

SO! “In Iraq 100 years? Hey, We’ve had Military Personnel & a Base on the Cuban Island since BEFORE CASTRO CAME INTO POWER! ACTUALLY SINCE WE TOOK CUBA/I mean “Freed” CUBA from Spain during the 1800’s > Nearly 140 years ago!

One Candidate (non military US Defense trained) attempts to make American’s panicky over a Military Base being built for long term US Troops being built in IRAQ? When during another Network In-Field Interview, that Candidate “flip-Flopped” and admitted he would keep rought 80,000 US Troops on Iraq Soil PERMENANTLY, HIMSELF >But in the capacity similar as in Korea: Armed & at the Ready, in case a “New War” broke out……….. (Huh?) (DUH)

So Voter’s, take the wax, oil, dirt, & finger’s out of your ears. Just because a person can be a “Slick Speaker”, making words cause some women to swoon; So TOO have there been some SMOOTH TALKING PREACHER’S that everyone gravitated toward, while thinking they were “God’s Gift to Humanity” > (example) JIM JONES & HIS CAMP IN AFRICA OF THE SUICIDE BELIEVERS.

At a time of Economic, Military, Terroristic, International, Climatic, Turmoil & DANGER, This NATION needs a tried and proven Leader, not some smooth talking, physically good looking untried Candidate as our next President. Republican, Democrat, Constitutional Party, Libertarian, or Independent: It’s not a time for PARTY POLITICS AND GAMES LIKE THAT! It’s a threatening time for our beloved nation. So, cool down voters. Take some time and really compare each candidate along side the TRUE WARNINGS written by TWO Founder US President’s over 200 years ago. Then decide; Honestly with yourself; Which one truly lines up positively along side what they wrote for the safety of our nation, culture, freedom, sdafety of her citizenry. Sadly; Most of today’s US Citizen’s won’t! Why? Because they want to be on some faccet of a “New & Better US GOVERNMENT SOLILISTIC GRAVY TRAIN! THAT’S WHY! They will vote for the guy who promises the most “Gimmi’s” rather than for the tried and proven fella that for over 70 years has proven his love and loyalty for this land, And his Grandfather’s as well, all the way back to the Revolution, fighting personally beside President George Washington in Valley Forge! Think folks. Really think hard, because America – US, Canada, & Mexico could ultimately be attacked hard, if we have the wrong finger on the Government’s trigger. Age & Experience brings wisdom. Youth & unproven TALK is cheap! Anyone can blather at the mouth. But not everyone can rule a nation well.

By: vmr

vmr — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:55:35 +0000

Saw Susan Estrich several times, from a distance, in Brookline, MA in 1988 where I lived a few doors away from Mike Dukakis’ house. Back in December 2007 I said that based on my observation of theAmerican electorate in the 1980, 1988, 2000, and 2004 campaigns, I felt that the morons will get cold feet about sending a black person to the White House and will elect McCain. Susan Estrich seems to have similar doubts. In that case, I promise you, I’ll pack up and get the hell out of this country until, and if ever, it becomes more like Europe where big buisness and religion are kept on a short leash, where the fascist element is in a small minority, where guns are where they belong – out of the public realm, and where being an intellectual is still an honorable designation.

Good luck with your guns, your Jesus, and your increasingly worthless dollars, suckers!

By: Jesse Moffett

Jesse Moffett — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:37:16 +0000

I just read Estrichs’ interview on Obama and Iraq. I must it was interesting. The last part however caught my attention. It is sad to say that Caucasian America is still bigoted, biased and racist. Now that is not to say all are like that but overwhemingly enough are. To think that if you are of a different race, that would be a deciding factor in a presidential race is absurd. I am an African American and guess what, i’ve voted for white candidates, not because of the skin, religion, whom they were married to but because they were the right person for the job.
This is 2008 AMERICA!! Let’s wake up and start acting like true homosapiens. What’s going to happen is that older and wiser Black Americans will leave the Democratic party if this base does not pull together in this election year and turn to the Republicans. Is’nt that where African Americans party affiliation was originally, i guess we got Democracy confused with the Democratic party.
Be that as it may, if White Clinton supporters do not back Obama in this election then Black Americans should take a close look at this party and those they that consider to be friends (who maybe caucasian ), why they would not vote for Mr. Obama. Whatever is is received we should (as a people) lose those particular associations and move foward to new ones.