Hmm, I didn’t hear Obama admit that he would rather see failure in Iraq than concede that he was wrong about the surge. McCain’s comments are totally misleading. If you ignore the rhetoric and look at the objective facts, most would realize that Obama’s point is well reasoned.

I dont like either of these two obama or McCain. This is a little off subject, but I just saw the Video
of McCain on the Conan Show, He fell asleep on the Conan show. LOL thats hallarious. Wow! Thats all I can say Wow. The news should run this video more. If anyone want to see the video you can go to http://www.mccanes.com its under the videos. LOL Halarious. Today Ive seen a video of McCain taking a nap on the Conan Obrien show, and a Video of Obama making a three pointer. This race is a carnival. lol. Go see the video. http://www.mccanes.com

Again BHO shows he has no idea what the real world is all about.

In foreing relations the USA must always show strength and be willing to go alone and do what is good for all countries. BHO says decisions will not, repeat not be made unilatrally. Which means he wants a concensus of countries before he acts. This kind of stategey is bad for the USA because many nations are selfish and don’t like the US. I will always say the US is not perfect but anyone tell me a better country and I’ll go.

Had the country followed Mr Obama’s instincts in 2003, there would be no need for the “surge” and no war for Mr McCain to perpetuate into the next century. I guess you win some. You lose some. I’ll go with Mr Obama’s instincts over Mr McCain’s every time.

So….. now that the surge has succeeded, when do we get out?

When the interviewer pressed Obama about his lack of support for the surge even after it proved to be a success Obama stated:

“Obama: Keep in mind, these kind of hypotheticals are very difficult. You know hindsight is 20/20. But I think that what I am absolutely convinced of is at that time we had to change the political debate because the view of the Bush administration at that time was one I just disagreed with.”

If you analyze what Obama is saying here, it goes like this:

“Keep in mind, I can’t answer such a difficult hypothetical question. I can’t base my position then on what I know now.”

“But I think that what I am absolutely convinced of is at that time we had to “change” the political debate because the “Bush view” was what I disagreed with.”

He is actually admitting that even if “he was wrong” in 20/20 hindsight, he would still do it again if it meant “disagreeing with Bush”.

Barack Obama is so inexperienced that his stance on the war in Iraq is freightening. How can the American People get behind some one who has no experience in running any goverment. Mr. Obama has never even been the Mayor of a small town. How can we expect him to run the Government of the Greates Nation on Earth? All he want to talk about is withdrawing. Cut and Run. No one wants us to be in Iraq a day more then we have to but we must stay until the fight is over and the Iraq Government is stable and can defend itself. Mr Obama act’s as if the fight is won and we can begin to bring the troops home. We are quite a long way before we can begin to bring a substantial number of our great young men and women home. Mr. Obama can say he is the candidate for change. He will change nothing without the will of the Congress and Senate. How can you be the candidate of change when so far he has changed nothing either in the Illinoise State Senate or the U. S. Senate. Wake up people..

This actually happened on the day:
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once again Barry proves himself to be an empty suit talking head.

Its remarkable how news are twisted to fit a certain pre-determined tone and hence effect,almost shamelessly.Comparing news from other sources this piece from Major is completely distorted and meant to paint a completelly false impression on Obama. If John Mc Cain’s campaign was being managed by some sensible people,they would note that their response is so desperate in painting Obama as they have.Everyone knows where Obama stands and what his plan is,,,even if we disagree with it and to put out such a statement ,all the while ignoring the fact that even Iraqis themselves share his (Obama’s)vision of withdrawal.Even Bush himself is talking about the ‘horizons’.This kind of artless gimmicks are going to sink McCain.Its almost stupid ,,remember Mccain’s stubborness on immigration,,i think its not straight talk,but rather twisted ,old and ineffective old tactics that have proven ,in the case of Obama,to only elevate his stature.Therefore this piece of posting from Jordan does not meet the challenge of any independent thinking person.Its downright so shallow and meant to sow discord…Its all a big lie.Lets read and compare all and other sources..

It’s the same old “GOTCHA” game. Handlers from both political parties pick and choose those little snippets from their opponent’s talks and spin them to no end. We,the voting public, have to separate the chaff from the wheat and make choices based on our own inner feelings.

Regardless of how they are being portrayed, Obama is not anxious to throw in the towel in Iraq immediately after January 20, 2009 nor does McCain want to extend our presence there any longer than necessary.

Granted, no one likes war but that seems to be the main subject of debate right now. In view of this, we must ask ourselves which of these two men would be the best Commander-In-Chief.

Think seriously about this and forget about what the pundits and handlers proclaim. Put party favoritism aside and vote your conscience.

The full story of the surge has not been told. We need to see what happens in Iraq after the surge is over to determine whether it was successful or not.

Will the insurgents become a problem after the surge?

Will the Iraqi Government be able to establish order?

Will Al Queda be a problem for the Iraqi’s after the surge?

No one knows the answer to these questions. So saying the the surge was successful is premature.

WHACKJOB = NUTBAG

DIMBULB = RATFACE

What’s that spell?

OBUMMER!

Jerry your comment was great . Obama is as “submuf” said once again proves to be an empty suit. How uncomfortable Obama looked. Trying to answer questions only from the known reporters up front. This man is clearly not acceptable! Maybe some day a Black president, just not this one.

A.W. so right! Chicago Obama’s home is a mess! Crime is at the highest in the nation. He needs to actually do his job at home and in the senate instead he has been running for office ever since he got the senate job…he never has worked for a living and simply does not plan to.

The surge was not a strategy–it was a “fix-a-flat” for a failed strategy. All we did was what the Generals asked Rumsfeld to do from the start…add more troops to the mix.
Sen. Obama knew from the beginning that driving down a dark road without a map and a flashlight would be dangerous.
Sen. McCain’s plan temporarily fixed the tire, but he wants to keep going down the same dark road with no end in sight just to prove he’s “Right”.
As to Sen. Obama’s words–if you have to go this deep into reading into what he could have meant about a “what if” to prove him wrong on issues, you might as well just make something up.

Comment by Sean the thinker
July 21st, 2008 at 8:39 pm Hmm, I didn’t hear Obama admit that he would rather see failure in Iraq than concede that he was wrong about the surge. McCain’s comments are totally misleading. If you ignore the rhetoric and look at the objective facts, most would realize that Obama’s point is well reasoned.

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You must be kidding? Obama diverted and said nothing. The only reasoning Obama had was to get out of admitting the surge was successful and how he can move around it’s success when he’s quoted as saying it would fail and make the violence worse. Obama made no point. Sean…your screenname is a misnomer.

Comment by Tel…
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Comment by Sean the thinker
July 21st, 2008 at 8:39 pm Hmm, I didn’t hear Obama admit that he would rather see failure in Iraq than concede that he was wrong about the surge. McCain’s comments are totally misleading. If you ignore the rhetoric and look at the objective facts, most would realize that Obama’s point is well reasoned.

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You must be kidding? Obama diverted and said nothing. The only reasoning Obama had was to get out of admitting the surge was successful and how he can move around it’s success when he’s quoted as saying it would fail and make the violence worse. Obama made no point. Sean…your screenname is a misnomer.

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Due tel,

You are missing the entire point.

You are making an arguing based on a specific talking point. I’m talking about Obama’s overall perspective on the situation in Iraq.

Surely, if you are a rational person, you have to concede that this statement made by McCain was over the top and grossly misleading. You can’t justify it. No matter how hard you try.

Have you seen McCains latest commercial, the one in which he blames Obama for the oil crisis?

Distortions and misleading accusations won’t work this time, and thats the point that I’m trying to make. If McCain wants to advance his argument for staying and winning in Iraq, he needs to do it on substantive grounds.

McCain doesn’t have a substantive argument for staying in Iraq, so he resorts to rhetoric and misleading statements such as the one above.

My friend if you believe the rhetoric, then you are not thinking.

You folks who made those negative comments about Obama, please give me a break. The ones who said that the surge was a success, obviously you have no clue about the situation in Iraq. Innocent people are still dying and this occupation caused more unstability over there and greater division between the Iraqis than when Saddam was in power. To other that have suggested that John McCain will be a better commander in chief than Obama, I thought you’re probably naive and irrational. I am wondering how much you truly care about America! The economical collapse and trillion of debt that we found ourselves today, this is caused by the bad policies of John McCain and president Bush. The question we should ask ourselve is whether if John McCain can pass the treshold to be president. Mr. Wesley Clark stated best: the fact that someone had a military career, it does not automatically qualify him to be the commander in chief. It is more than that. In regard to the experience, if John McCain was such a good expert then why he voted for the war in Iraq. Being an educated voter I must question if this man has any kind of good judgement and wisdom to move America forward. Peace

He RW you wrote:
Comment by RW
July 21st, 2008 at 10:05 pm

Again BHO shows he has no idea what the real world is all about.

“In foreing relations the USA must always show strength and be willing to go alone and do what is good for all countries. BHO says decisions will not, repeat not be made unilatrally. Which means he wants a concensus of countries before he acts. This kind of stategey is bad for the USA because many nations are selfish and don’t like the US. I will always say the US is not perfect but anyone tell me a better country and I’ll go.”

Well the answer is WE CAN BE BETTER. We are Americans. We wear the White hats. He don’t torture! We don’t kidnap wives and children and imprison them in African country till we find there husband! At least we didn’t do this before Bush. I spent my youth as a Marine and I have seen combat. Its funny how a man who has never seen a man get shot in battle can say he knows how to win Wars. Obama might be young and a bit on the naive side, but he understands the most important part of being a president. And that is do what the American people want, not what you want. We are the voters! We are America! So why is it that when 70% of us want to get out of Iraq and focus on Afghanistan, why are we still there. Sounds like a personal agenda!

Its a stupid argument that we need to get rid of the insurgents before we pull out. Hu they weren’t there before we invaded the country. I know I was there as a Marine in 98 when the weapons inspectors were kicked out. We destroyed the infrastructure of the sovereign nation because the leader did what Bush is ordering done.

I watch Fox like most of you, but for the fair and balanced angle I watch other new source and read a lot. I make up my own mind, not let Fox make it up for me.

Example of Fair and Balanced.

NBC, CBS and ABC report: Obama family loves the beach and finds that people who live in communities around beach resort towns to be laid back and enjoyable to be around.

Fox report: Obama family hates being around mountain people and finds Midwesterners uptight and hates being around around them.

Bill O’ then tells the same story on his show and because he doesn’t have video of Obama saying it he shows video of young lady in thong bent over picking up sea shells while he talks about how much he loves the Midwest and how Obama is un American. This is followed by a story of how MSNBC are sick people and show un needed scenes of half women wearing too little.

Strange world Fox News Corp lives in isn’t it

Another arm chair quarterback. They “seem” always right. Obama playing President when not knowing the facts is dangerous and reckless. At the end of the day we freed millions and defended a way of life that our troops signed up for. If we exit WWII the way Obama wants to exit the Iraq war we would have a whole set of different allies.

John MCcain comments regarding the so call surge is wrong.
The increase in Troops wasn’t announced by Prsident Bush until
a few month after the ANBAR AWAKENING, Col. MacFarland was
there, not Petraeus like MCcain said.
When MCcain quote an event i do research before i response.
I had to vote for him but now everytime he uses the term
“MYFRIEND” turns me off. “PHONEY”.

If it is true that John McCain’s experise is foreign policy. Then maybe he is just getting confused lately. He had three gaffes this week. He should have instead concentrated on the economy and jobs. Good jobs are so hard to get. Today, if John McCain were looking for a job, do you think anyone would hire him? Maybe Walmart as a “greeter”. It is hard to find a good job, especially for the elderly. Wow, and some want him for the highest office in this country, go figure. There is an article out there written by Neil Smith, U.S. Army and Colonel Sean MacFarland U.S. Army called Anbar Awakens: The Tipping Point. This is the firsthand article on this, just Google it. Tells dates everything.

Comment by Sean the thinker
July 22nd, 2008 at 6:53 pm

Your response was all over the place but I’ll address what was discernable.

McCain knows exactly what’s at stake in Iraq which is why he wants to resolve the conflict effectively. Not cut and run with a “16 Month” non-negotiable policy that even Petraeus has recommened against (so much for Obama’s willingness to listen to those who have a better understanding).

Militarily, Iraq’s airforce is not at full strength, it needs to be in order for the Iraqi security forces to be effective. Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan have made that crystal clear. McCain has already mentioned it. Obama is (intentionally?)ignorant of it.

Iraq’s government needs to be at a level to govern effectively. Our further full strength presence there will help facilitate that, along with Iraq’s economic growth. No one, particularly McCain wants to remain at full combat levels in Iraq any longer than absolutely necessary. McCain is making sure that “the good guys” do win and not have to come back for Iraq 3. You fail to understand Sean (or more accurately, won’t admit)..that Obama isn’t offering anything that the surge didn’t accommodate for already. He should be thankful he was outvoted on being against it (and his certainty that it would fail and increase the violence). Don’t forget, Obama has also claimed our military has been “just air-raiding villages and killing civilians” in the past. Perhaps you’ve missed all that?

Offering me McCain’s commercial blaming Obama for oil prices is only diversion on your part. It has no bearing on dicussing strategic goals in Iraq. Nice try anyway.

Personally, I agree with McCain only he should have made it broader. It’s the Democrats as a whole that are contributing to high prices by stalling and deflecting on more drilling. Bush lifts the ban, the price per barrel began to fall, it was no coincidence but it WAS a contributing factor. Furthermore, the Dems new mantra of “10 years” before we see relief at the pump is outright politicing. It’s regulations that stall the production. Make sensible deregulations and the fuel is there in a year. Somehow I don’t think Pelosi and Reid will discuss that. Their approval ratings are in the single digits for behaviour like that.

Sean..you convinced me your screenname is a misnomer

Comment by Frances L
July 24th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

Frances L….perhaps you’ve failed to grasp how this all works. The surge didn’t just “start”. Efforts were being made on the ground months before hand to make it work. Part of which was convincing Sunni elements to abandon support for al Qaeda and their own insurgency. Really, just trust me on this one…the troops don’t just hit the ground and the generals go…”ok..surge starts…NOW!”…Sheesh.

JOHN McCANN 08. A true America Hero who loves his Country.

PUMA.

SIMply put..If you want to let the terrorist take over our country and have a Mosque on every major country and end up like some of the european countries..Elect Obama. If you love Americal and have always been proud vot McCain. Obama will say nad do anything to get what he wants and the sad thing is that the dems are in the boat with him. I hope it sinks.

Comment by Selma
July 27th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
JOHN McCANN 08. A true America Hero who loves his Country.

PUMA.
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There are a lot of American heroes out there and they all should be considered for the presidency?

Could someone enlighten me. I must be really confused. Did we go into Kuwait to keep Sadam from taking over their country? Were we asked to go into Kuwait, or did we just march right in to take over their country? I think we stopped Sadam and had to watch him constantly. I watched a documentary on TV the other evening on the fall of Sadam. From what I could see he was a cruel and vicious man. His sons were evil murderers and they killed thousands of their people. Worse than Sadam. Genocide! According to the document he was trying his best to get weapons of mass destruction. Did we by chance go in to save the people of Iraq from a Dictator.I didn’t see George Bush’s name as the creator of that documentary. I just guess I don’t get it. You can bet that our so called friends will be there to reap the profits, when Iraq becomes a stable country.
I have also heard that we went in for oil. If so, why is it that our gas prices are so high?

Also, Obama’s trip would have been fine if he had gone quietly, and met with the heads of state from those countries. He chose to make a big production as tho he was the President already. I also believe that he turned down visiting our men and women in Germany because he could not get the publicity he was looking for.

Guess I’m just a dumb old lady who doesn’t understand.